Help finding a good VERY high-gain amp.

[HM Stratocaster]

Hey guys I'm kinda new here but the reason I'm here is that I'm in a gear twist.
I'm looking for a high-gain amp that I'm not going to need to run a stomp box in front of at all that has a great clean channel at the same time and when I say clean I mean fender lush with absolutely no gain saturation at all. I guess at this point I could deal with having a two channel amp. One clean one dirty but what I'm after is one with three channels. One for absolutely clean Fender tones, one for more vintage bluesy to modded high-gain plexi Marshall tones (kinda like "Strangle Hold" by Ted Nugent), and one for absolute liquid metal extreme high gain saturation (like "Snow Bound" by Arch Enemy) that I won't need a noise gate for. I am very open to rack mounted preamp suggestions too I've recently become a fan or rack gear so any suggestions are welcome!:] I've tried just about EVERYTHING and when I say everything I mean it. I'll give amps that I've used and didn't like and amps I used and did like but didn't get because of versatility issues.


Didn't like:
Marshall:
---JVM
DSL/TSL
Bogner:
---Ecstasy
Peavey:
---5150/I/II/III (I guess III is Fender but you know what I mean)
Crate:
---Every One
B-52:
---Every One
Kustom:
---Every One
Line 6:
---Every One (Don't even ever suggest one of those to me.)
Soldano:
---Lucky 13
---SLO 100
THD:
---Every One (Never enough gain)
Beringer:
V-Amp
---GMX
Egnater:
Tour Master
Genz Benz:
--All
Krank:
Revolution/Krankinstien
Raven:
---All
Hughes and Kettner:
---Switchblade (I'd REALLY LIKE to try the Correblade)
Mesa/Boogie:
---All (Very good cleans and vintage tones but really only lightly touches the gain I want at extremely high volumes)
Orange:
---Rockverb
Randall:
---RX Series
Rivera:
---Knuckle Head (WAAAAAAY THIN and noisy)
Rocktron:
Voodu Valve Preamp (It was very nice but I don't like having to use the noise gate on on full ALL THE TIME. It just made it sound so plastic and then it started malfunctioning)

Did Like:
Peavey:
---6505+ (there basically is no clean channel)
---XXX Almost perfect! Too bad I can't use this because of legal issues (long story)
---3120 It's alright but just seems to be lacking on the lead channel a little
ADA:
MP-1 (Again basically no clean and the high pitch squeal coming off of the display although controllable is annoying at times. The high gain was Very nice in some applications though.)
Rocktron:
150 Velocity Power Amp: This is the most professional, versatile, impressive and best sounding piece of equipment I've ever used. (Believe me I was completely skeptical of it at first too!)

I know most of these are like "NO DUH THEY SUCK DUDE!" type amps but I just put those in there just to stop some less experienced people from suggesting them. These are some amps I'd like to try:

VHT/Fryette:
Sig X (AHHHHHH!)
Pitbull Ultra Lead
ENGL:
e530 Preamp
Invader
Fireball II
Egnater:
Armegeddon (When it comes out)
Deizel:
VH4
Herbert
Huges and Kettner:
Correblade

PHEW! *puts ice on hands* Anyway, If you did make it this far thank you and please help me if you can! Please don't suggest and pedals I'm pretty sure nothing kicks that much more ass than my Boss Metal Zone and like I said I hate running distortion pedals. I will not buy an amp if I have to run one in front of it it makes paying X amount more dollars for a distortion channel in an amp almost completely pointless.

LONG LIVE METAL,

-HM

[stealthtastic]

You could do what I'm planning on doing and grab a 6505+ with a PodXT in the effects loop to use as a clean channel and then grab a vader cab 2x12. But then you said you didn't want to touch Line 6 with a 8 foot pole so

What Mesa's did you try?

[Blankplank]

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You could run Fender and Engl pre-amps and a decent power amp and have a switcher? That or an Axe-fx

[Tom]

I find it interesting that you like the 6505+ but not the 5150 II, since they're the exact same amp with different names. It's also strange that you like the XXX but say that you dislike every Mesa, as I think the XXX is more or less regarded as the poor man's Mesa Recto. What do you find lacking about Mesas on the high gain side? It sounds like a Roadster would work really well for you aside from you not liking Mesa high gain sounds.

I'm not sure how you're expecting to run something with such ridiculous amounts of gain at high volumes without a gate. I just don't think that's a good idea. There's no shame in using a gate.

Have you tried the Marshall JMP-1 preamp? It's versatile as hell, and it has plenty of gain on tap.

[Lyle]

Peavey JSX? 2 channels of absurd gain, and a clean channel that just will not break up...

[loktide]

[zepp]

MP-1



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[The Dark Wolf]

Originally Posted by Tom

I find it interesting that you like the 6505+ but not the 5150 II, since they're the exact same amp with different names. It's also strange that you like the XXX but say that you dislike every Mesa, as I think the XXX is more or less regarded as the poor man's Mesa Recto. What do you find lacking about Mesas on the high gain side? It sounds like a Roadster would work really well for you aside from you not liking Mesa high gain sounds.

I'm not sure how you're expecting to run something with such ridiculous amounts of gain at high volumes without a gate. I just don't think that's a good idea. There's no shame in using a gate.

This.

Mesa amps not having enough gain? What?

I'd say just get an Axe FX and be done with it. Tweak your own ideal amp sound. Your gonna have far, faaaar more versatility to dial in the sound your finicky ass wants.

[Toshiro]

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I don't know how you can love the XXX and not the 3120 when they're the exact same amp with changed cosmetics and different power tubes. I didn't care for the XXX's styling either. Load a 3120 with 6L6s and it's the same amp.

Better get used to running a gate though, no such thing as a truely high gain amp that's dead silent.

[Matt C]

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