Originally Posted by Reverend 7 Strings of Hate
1. Ideally it would be a full pocket wedge shim. But a big gap is worse than a small gap. I know that the gap will still be there with a flat full pocket shim plus an angle shim, but i'd rather have a smaller gap than a bigger gap. See pic
2. Of course its better to have full contact. Since the beginning of guitar making people have made their necks fit tight into the pocket. It will of course make sound even if there isnt full contact, but i absolutly refuse to go along with the idea that a tighter fit with full contact is worse than a loose fit with a gap in it. It just doesnt make sense. Set necks dont have gaps. Neck throughs dont have gaps. Granted you dont have some major difference in sound, but once again, tighter is better. Smaller tolerances are always better. Its just common sense.
If i had a choice, i would choose the 1st scenario over the 2nd. Its just structurally more sound. Having the bolts out more just gives it more room to move or shift or have some sort of problem with not holding the neck as good as having the bolts embedded like you would if the heel was closer to the pocket floor. Not to mention it starts to get too angled for the bolts to go in straight.
Once again, i have no hardon for a full pocket shim
, but at a certian point it gets just stupid to have it shimmed too far at the bottom of the pocket. If you want to put 19 business cards worth of shim at the bottom of your pocket, more power to ya, but personally, i think there is a better way.
I'm not sure how much gap we are talking about in chris's situation, but he said its already shimmed pretty high, and it just gets to a point where angle shimming it more isnt the best course of action IMO
No shit 19 is excessive but Chris isn't even close to that
it doesn't take much to add a single extra degree of neck angle, which would likely fix Chris' issue. You're making way more out of this than it really is, and as much as you think a tight pocket is great there's a reason neck shimming has been acceptable and so widely practiced for decades, because you'll never, ever, hear the difference. Take your hyperbole elsewhere.
Chris never responded to Max's question, I'm curious as well, perhaps he has locking studs and didn't realize it... Ibanez studs can screw ALL the way into their inserts...
I'm also curious if there isn't interference elsewhere, perhaps the shelf under the trem or maybe even the rear route somewhere...