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Chris
08-15-2011, 07:07 PM
Vai uses them, and I think it's safe to say that he uses his bar more than most of us.

https://www.metalguitarist.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5404&stc=1&d=1313435190

Vai.com: All About EVO (http://www.vai.com/minisites/EVO/hardware_frameset.html)

Anyone running this setup?

noodles
08-15-2011, 07:13 PM
No need, I use real Floyds. :fawk:

In all seriousness, though, I have yet to try any sort of tremsetter/stabilizer that didn't negatively impact the feel of the trem. It is pretty much the reason I refuse to use any other trem bridge, since the OFR is the only one that stands up to repeated abuse (excepting the modern Gotoh, which has the same case-hardened construction as the real thing).

Would you look at that, his favorite guitar isn't basswood, and Eddie still has the same OFR on his Frankenstrat. /h8

DomitianX
08-15-2011, 07:20 PM
Would you look at that, his favorite guitar isn't basswood, and Eddie still has the same OFR on his Frankenstrat. /h8

All JEM7VWH are Alder bodies.

noodles
08-15-2011, 07:23 PM
All JEM7VWH are Alder bodies.

Which are the guitars he uses the most. If memory serves, he takes around four of them on the road with him. They're the only Jems I ever liked the sound of.

Mike
08-15-2011, 07:23 PM
I've had one guitar that had the dual Tremsetters in it like that, and I pretty much immediately ripped them back out. I hated what it did to the feel, and you have to adjust the freakin' things constantly - and, though I didn't get this far, I've read multiple reports (including from Vai) of them breaking under sustained use. No big deal for a guy who changes his trem out multiple times a year, but to me...

Soopahmahn
08-15-2011, 07:25 PM
http://www.vai.com/minisites/EVO/images/large_images/hrdwre_LRG05.jpg

owate wrong thred

I stole the tissue-stuffing trick from this picture series a while back. :yesway:

noodles
08-15-2011, 07:27 PM
I've always used a piece of foam, since it holds up longer than tissue. Like Mike said, I don't have a tech to maintain my guitars on a daily basis.

Toe-Knee
08-15-2011, 07:28 PM
GÖLDO BACK BOX - Thomann UK Cyberstore (http://www.thomann.de/gb/goeldo_blackbox.htm)

I use these and after getting used to the slight change in the feel theyve been absolutely great

and theyre super cheap

Soopahmahn
08-15-2011, 07:28 PM
You need a The Drew.

Chris
08-15-2011, 07:29 PM
No need, I use real Floyds. :fawk:

In all seriousness, though, I have yet to try any sort of tremsetter/stabilizer that didn't negatively impact the feel of the trem. It is pretty much the reason I refuse to use any other trem bridge, since the OFR is the only one that stands up to repeated abuse (excepting the modern Gotoh, which has the same case-hardened construction as the real thing).

Would you look at that, his favorite guitar isn't basswood, and Eddie still has the same OFR on his Frankenstrat. /h8

Your Ibanez hate can't possibly include the Edge dude, right? :lol: The original Edge is one of the best 6 string trems ever made.

Markus
08-15-2011, 07:35 PM
The Lo-Pro Edge on my Ibanez 540S is still going strong after 21 years. :shrug:

noodles
08-15-2011, 07:37 PM
Your Ibanez hate can't possibly include the Edge dude, right? :lol: The original Edge is one of the best 6 string trems ever made.

Then why does Vai replace several of them a year? :lol:

DomitianX
08-15-2011, 07:38 PM
Those arent really tremsetters. That is an Ibanez Backstop. Similar concept, much easier to install.

The Last Word in Tremolo Stabilization (http://joe.emenaker.com/TremStabilizers/Backstop.html)

Markus
08-15-2011, 07:39 PM
Then why does Vai replace several of them a year? :lol:

Why does Vai use a giant fan to blow his hair on stage?:confused:

Chris
08-15-2011, 07:40 PM
Then why does Vai replace several of them a year? :lol:

Because he's Vai? :lol: Don't you think he'd switch to something else otherwise?

Are you playing 100+ gigs a year with 2 hours of insane trem abuse per night? Don't you think the guy that does would have the best trem for it? Or is playing out of tune acceptable as long as it saves you some money?

https://metalguitarist.org/chris/random/inmydreams.mp3

DomitianX
08-15-2011, 07:41 PM
Then why does Vai replace several of them a year? :lol:

The same reason Nascar replaces tires several times a race. They where them the hell down by CONSTANTLY using it. Who beats a floyd up as much as Vai does on the Edge?

Im not saying one is better than the other, but anyone who uses any trem as much as that guy and uses it the way he does, has to replace them a couple times a year.

Chris
08-15-2011, 07:42 PM
Those arent really tremsetters. That is an Ibanez Backstop. Similar concept, much easier to install.

The Last Word in Tremolo Stabilization (http://joe.emenaker.com/TremStabilizers/Backstop.html)

I'll be damned.

This is what his page says:


The device you are looking at here is a trem setter. With a series of springs and knobs it creates a resting point for the bridge that helps to keep the float aspect of the bridge in control. Floating bridges are difficult to use because any little pressure on the tail piece will make the strings go sharp - making your playing sound sea sick. This cuts down on that a lot.

noodles
08-15-2011, 07:43 PM
The same reason Nascar replaces tires several times a race. They where them the hell down by CONSTANTLY using it. Who beats a floyd up as much as Vai does on the Edge?

http://halen.com/evh/modules/PNphpBB2/files/29304488_29304504_slarge_912.jpg

Original bridge.

darren
08-15-2011, 07:43 PM
That's not a Hipshot TremSetter in that pic. That's an old Ibanez trem stabilizer. I'm actually REALLY surprised to see Vai using that on a guitar he plays regularly. If you want those things to actually STABILIZE your trem to help with return-to-pitch, you have to crank them so tight that you get a distinct on-centre "detent" and you lose all ability to flutter the bridge, which Vai obviously does a lot. He may have that in ONE guitar that he uses for specific purposes, but there's no way that's Evo.

Chris
08-15-2011, 07:46 PM
That's not a Hipshot TremSetter in that pic. That's an old Ibanez trem stabilizer. I'm actually REALLY surprised to see Vai using that on a guitar he plays regularly. If you want those things to actually STABILIZE your trem to help with return-to-pitch, you have to crank them so tight that you get a distinct on-centre "detent" and you lose all ability to flutter the bridge, which Vai obviously does a lot. He may have that in ONE guitar that he uses for specific purposes, but there's no way that's Evo.

It's from vai.com, on the Evo page dude.

https://www.metalguitarist.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5405&stc=1&d=1313437642

Chris
08-15-2011, 07:49 PM
http://halen.com/evh/modules/PNphpBB2/files/29304488_29304504_slarge_912.jpg

Original bridge.

He's clearly using it to write and record all the awesome shit VH has released in the last 10 years.

Oh, wait.

DomitianX
08-15-2011, 07:49 PM
It's from vai.com, on the Evo page dude.

https://www.metalguitarist.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5405&stc=1&d=1313437642

Well he doesnt know his own equipment or someone else wrote it for him. Its an Ibanez Backstop.

http://www.jemsite.com/jem/other.htm

Chris
08-15-2011, 07:51 PM
Well he doesnt know his own equipment or someone else wrote it for him. Its an Ibanez Backstop.

http://www.jemsite.com/jem/other.htm

Yup - I wasn't trying to contradict you, sorry. :lol: I meant that the guitar is Evo, for Darren.

I assumed that a "trem setter" and a Tremsetter were the same thing. :D

noodles
08-15-2011, 07:51 PM
He's clearly using it to write and record all the awesome shit VH has released in the last 10 years.

Oh, wait.

What do you think of the last five Vai records? Go back and listen to them, post a reply when you wake up. :yesway:

DomitianX
08-15-2011, 07:51 PM
http://halen.com/evh/modules/PNphpBB2/files/29304488_29304504_slarge_912.jpg

Original bridge.

Eddie isnt even in the same universe for trem abuse as Vai. Never seen Eddie lift his guitar by the trem and shake the shit out of it for a minute or two, or the twirl the arm thing Vai does abuse, or anything other that dive bombs and pitch raising.

Markus
08-15-2011, 07:53 PM
Has EVH actually been using that guitar live lately? I haven't seen it on any of the (admittedly few) live vids of Van Halen that I've seen from the last few years.

Chris
08-15-2011, 08:04 PM
Probably not, because if that wasn't EVH's guitar, that thing would belong in the trash.

IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM

http://i55.tinypic.com/16c26f4.jpg

noodles
08-15-2011, 08:07 PM
Eddie isnt even in the same universe for trem abuse as Vai. Never seen Eddie lift his guitar by the trem and shake the shit out of it for a minute or two, or the twirl the arm thing Vai does abuse, or anything other that dive bombs and pitch raising.

You mean like Vai used to do with his Charvels? Ibanez won't put anything but an Ibanez trem on their guitars, so he's stuck replacing several times a year. That's because the Edge is a mild metal baseplate with hardened steel inserts, as opposed to the entire baseplate being hardened. So, all of the saddle bolt holes, the arm holder hole, the fine tuner holes on the tail, etc eventually strip out from the abuse. If you case harden the whole damn bridge, like Schaller does with the OFR, then it will literally last for decades.

Seanbabs
08-15-2011, 08:09 PM
https://metalguitarist.org/chris/random/inmydreams.mp3

:facemelt:

:rofl:

DomitianX
08-15-2011, 08:10 PM
You mean like Vai used to do with his Charvels? Ibanez won't put anything but an Ibanez trem on their guitars, so he's stuck replacing several times a year. That's because the Edge is a mild metal baseplate with hardened steel inserts, as opposed to the entire baseplate being hardened. So, all of the saddle bolt holes, the arm holder hole, the fine tuner holes on the tail, etc eventually strip out from the abuse. If you case harden the whole damn bridge, like Schaller does with the OFR, then it will literally last for decades.

Well, we dont know how many OFRs he replaced on the Charvels either. And I think his trem antics have been steeped up quite a bit over the years.

I dont think you could put Vai like abuse on a trem, any trem, night after night like that and expect it to not take a shit.

noodles
08-15-2011, 08:17 PM
I dont think you could put Vai like abuse on a trem, any trem, night after night like that and expect it to not take a shit.

I agree, but I think they would last a lot longer if they were better trems. There are guys out there who abuse the fuck out of their Floyds, and they are still going strong. Kirk Hammet still has the same bridge on his original, beat to shit ESP. He may not abuse it like Vai, but he certainly isn't nice to it, and I guarantee you he has played way more dates with that guitar than Vai ever has. Literally everything on that guitar BUT the bridge has failed at some point.

Chris
08-15-2011, 08:18 PM
I agree, but I think they would last a lot longer if they were better trems. There are guys out there who abuse the fuck out of their Floyds, and they are still going strong. Kirk Hammet still has the same bridge on his original, beat to shit ESP. He may not abuse it like Vai, but he certainly isn't nice to it, and I guarantee you he has played way more dates with that guitar than Vai ever has. Literally everything on that guitar BUT the bridge has failed at some point.

Have you ever seen Vai live dude? He uses his trem more in one set than Hammett uses his in a year.

DomitianX
08-15-2011, 08:25 PM
The other thing we dont know is why he is replacing them instead of fixing them. That whole hold by the bar and shake it like a red-headed step child has to destroy the knife edges, trem arm socket, etc.

If they were hardened like an OFR, he would probably go through 3 instead of 4 a year.

:flex:

When i watch Vai's live stuff I am amazed his guitars dont just fall to pieces at the end of the show. Those techs earn their money thats for sure.

Mike
08-15-2011, 08:31 PM
Sorry, those are what ESP sold as the "Arming Adjuster", IIRC. The real Tremsetter is even MORE useless. :lol:

Edit: I forgot about the AA just being half of one. Dammit, I had the Ibby one in a guitar. :lol: It really was a colossal PITA to set up, though. For Vai, it's easy - he hands it to his tech. Me, not so much.

Leona
08-15-2011, 08:37 PM
Sorry, those are what ESP sold as the "Arming Adjuster", IIRC. The real Tremsetter is even MORE useless. :lol:

Similar. It is an Ibanez Backstop. Which is like two arming adjusters taped together that came out earlier. :lol:

Chris
08-15-2011, 08:37 PM
Similar. It is an Ibanez Backstop. Which is like two arming adjusters that came out earlier. :lol:

You're like 34 posts and 5 arguments late to the party, Richter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEWHbhLx_-Y

Chris
08-15-2011, 08:39 PM
Sorry, those are what ESP sold as the "Arming Adjuster", IIRC. The real Tremsetter is even MORE useless. :lol:

Edit: I forgot about the AA just being half of one. Dammit, I had the Ibby one in a guitar. :lol: It really was a colossal PITA to set up, though. For Vai, it's easy - he hands it to his tech. Me, not so much.

Just make Dave do it. :yesway:

Mike
08-15-2011, 08:39 PM
Your Ibanez hate can't possibly include the Edge dude, right? :lol: The original Edge is one of the best 6 string trems ever made.

It's a cheaper version of the OFR. Having said that, until the Gotoh came along it was probably #3, after the Schaller - it has most of the same issues as the Schaller, IIRC.

Mike
08-15-2011, 08:40 PM
Just make Dave do it. :yesway:

Proof you've never been in a band with Dave. I like my stuff to work, and Dave's never does. :roll2:

Leona
08-15-2011, 08:40 PM
You're like 34 posts and 5 arguments late to the party, Richter.

Total Recall-Cya at the party Richter! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEWHbhLx_-Y)

He edited his post after I posted in direct response. Thanks, though. :yesway:.

Chris
08-15-2011, 08:43 PM
He edited his post after I posted in direct response. Thanks, though. :yesway:.

Not Mike's post. This post:

https://www.metalguitarist.org/forum/guitar-tech-electronics-diy/35942-lets-discuss-tremsetter-2.html#post455102

It's argument week here on MG man, you need to keep up! :lol:

eleven59
08-15-2011, 08:45 PM
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Just make Dave do it. :yesway:

Proof you've never been in a band with Dave. I like my stuff to work, and Dave's never does. :roll2:

Seriously? :rofl: His gear always working has been his main argument in two threads today :lol:

Leona
08-15-2011, 08:47 PM
It's argument week here on MG man, you need to keep up! :lol:

No, I don't. :lol:

Chris
08-15-2011, 08:48 PM
Proof you've never been in a band with Dave. I like my stuff to work, and Dave's never does. :roll2:

I love this thread. :lol:

Chris
08-15-2011, 08:48 PM
No, I don't. :lol:

Yes you do! :mad:

noodles
08-15-2011, 08:56 PM
Seriously? :rofl: His gear always working has been his main argument in two threads today :lol:

He's specifically talking about the pickup in my V taking a shit at the gig on Saturday. Serves me right for using a stock Duncan. :lol:

Chris
08-15-2011, 08:58 PM
He's specifically talking about the pickup in my V taking a shit at the gig on Saturday. Serves me right for using a stock Duncan. :lol:

Right on. What color of sweet, reliable Blaze will you be replacing it with?

Regor
08-15-2011, 09:04 PM
Right on. What color of sweet, reliable Blaze will you be replacing it with?

Black... of course :fawk:

noodles
08-15-2011, 09:14 PM
Right on. What color of sweet, reliable Blaze will you be replacing it with?

Wolfe rewinds Blazes?

Mike
08-15-2011, 09:15 PM
Right on. What color of sweet, reliable Blaze will you be replacing it with?

You totally deserved that, Dave. :lol:

darren
08-15-2011, 09:19 PM
Monty Python - Argument Clinic - YouTube

noodles
08-15-2011, 09:25 PM
You totally deserved that, Dave. :lol:

Don't you have a monitor that you should be tripping over? :lol:

Soopahmahn
08-15-2011, 09:32 PM
Are you playing 100+ gigs a year with 2 hours of insane trem abuse per night? Don't you think the guy that does would have the best trem for it? Or is playing out of tune acceptable as long as it saves you some money?

https://metalguitarist.org/chris/random/inmydreams.mp3

Oh fuck. :lol:

Mike
08-15-2011, 09:44 PM
Don't you have a monitor that you should be tripping over? :lol:

No, I fell off of the monitor. I tripped over my pedal board.

noodles
08-15-2011, 10:09 PM
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/benny-hill-copy.jpg

playstopause
08-15-2011, 11:40 PM
https://metalguitarist.org/chris/random/inmydreams.mp3

Jesus-f*cking-Christ, who the hell did that massacre? :lol::lol::lol:

Chris
08-15-2011, 11:40 PM
Jesus-f*cking-Christ, who the hell did that massacre? :lol:

Nobody we know, nothing to see here. (https://www.metalguitarist.org/forum/members/mesh.html)

I'm sorry man! :lol:

playstopause
08-15-2011, 11:50 PM
:rofl:


Somewhere, little George Lynch is weeping.

Greg McCoy
08-16-2011, 12:01 AM
:rofl:


Somewhere, little George Lynch is weeping.

You know that when you put little in front of someones name in America it usually means you are referring to their dick?

Right?

:lol:

playstopause
08-16-2011, 12:14 AM
Wut? Didn't know this at all. :lol:

Chris
08-16-2011, 12:15 AM
Hello, Big Frenchie!

playstopause
08-16-2011, 12:16 AM
:rofl:


:frenchdoitbetter:

noodles
08-16-2011, 12:55 AM
And nothing serious was discussed that day.