Documentary Ozzy Osbourne - 30 Years After the Blizzard

**playstopause** · 09-22-2020 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mattayus

But meh, psychopathic business practices or not, his music has always been metal guitar-centric and launched the careers of quite a lot of sick musos, even if not under the greatest of circumstances.

So much this!

Ozzy might be crazy, talentless, poor writer and singer, a crook, a puppet and the Lars Ulrich of heavy metal singers, but he's still fucking Ozzy. Even if you don't like his singing, you can't take him out of the equation. Like, Sabbath isn't Sabbath without him (and as much as I love Dio and the Sabbath records are better with him, etc. etc. etc. the Dio years are a total different thing for me than the Ozzy years).

**jacksonplayer** · 09-22-2020 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mattayus

Got a huge soft spot for Ozzy's albums up to and including the first couple with Zakk. Never really paid too much attention to the politics but I'm absolutely not surprised. I scoffed at the reality tv thing when it came out, and in hindsight its actually pretty fucking horrific. Telling of the Osbourne "brand" and how it steam rolls along. And fuck his kids, so so hard

But meh, psychopathic business practices or not, his music has always been metal guitar-centric and launched the careers of quite a lot of sick musos, even if not under the greatest of circumstances.

This is where I am, too.

He's sort of the George Clinton of metal. George was a crap singer and couldn't play an instrument, but he somehow created an environment where lots of great musical things happened in the '70s. Ozzy functioned like that after he left Sabbath. Rhoads/Daisley/Kerslake didn't need him in order to write great music, nor didn't Jake E. Lee and Daisley a few years later, but it might have been very different with an involved singer, and maybe that combo never gets together without him.

**noodles** · 09-22-2020 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by jacksonplayer

This is where I am, too.

He's sort of the George Clinton of metal. George was a crap singer and couldn't play an instrument, but he somehow created an environment where lots of great musical things happened in the '70s. Ozzy functioned like that after he left Sabbath. Rhoads/Daisley/Kerslake didn't need him in order to write great music, nor didn't Jake E. Lee and Daisley a few years later, but it might have been very different with an involved singer, and maybe that combo never gets together without him.

That's a good way of looking at it, considering where Sabbath went with Dio. I absolutely love the Dio era, but it's obvious that RJD was extremely involved in the songwriting process. Then, look at how Dio essentially dominated the songwriting in his solo career. I can't think of a greater contrast in solo output than Ozzy and Dio.