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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Drucifer View Post
    I'm totally not opposed to finding good wood substitutes moving forward. Also, Bob Taylor mentioned years ago that we'd start seeing striped ebony making it's way into the guitar world as a main issue with ebony was that they were disregarding all the striped stuff in favor of the solid black ebony. Striped ebony looks awesome, IMO, and I wouldn't mind at all if it were being used world-over. I'm sure it can be dyed just the same, so there shouldn't be an issue with the naysayers. I agree that we should be shying away from cutting down more and more trees. Thankfully, we're not all loony on here and can surely agree that our climate/environment needs to come first, LONG before guitars.

    There is no such thing as solid black ebony. At least not in the sense people think of as "solid black guitar fretboard" ebony.

    Ebony is naturally streaky, most of the solid stuff you see is dyed by manufacturers to be solid black, because that is what consumers expect.

    Some cuts/species are darker than others, but ebony naturally has streaks, guitar manufacturers dye it black because people want a uniform black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg McCoy View Post
    I agree with all the points of "the overuse of woods is disgusting" in this thread as well. There are enough excellent instruments out there to go around.

    I've bought only 4-5 new instruments in my life, much prefer buying used for a number of reasons. (Nicely made) Used guitars are more resonant and warmer anyways, because they've had a lot of time to age.
    Plus all the good guitars were made between 1981-1989 anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Plus all the good guitars were made between 1981-1989 anyway.
    But they didn't release the jem until 87
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletbass man View Post
    I'm all for sustainable farming/forestry. But rosewood use for guitars is nothing compared to the furniture industry, which is really what CITES was meant to target. Think how many fretboards would go into one executive desk. I don't think there should be no regulations when it comes to musical instruments, but it's inclusion in Cites was a mistake.
    This. The furniture industry is why we need to protected threatened tree species.
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    Some of the replacement woods looked super low quality to me. I'm sure they are fine for instrument building and tone, but they have lower perceived quality as a finished instrument. Good luck selling some of these 2016-2019 guitars, a great deal of the CITES affected guitars look like they have fretboards made out of cardboard.

    That being said, I like the look of the new JS series Jackson amaranth fretboards more than many new rosewood boards.

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    From: https://www.npr.org/2019/08/27/75450...ficked-rosewoo

    "Instrument makers and musicians pushed for the exemption, writing in a convention brief that without it, "the world of music and culture will lose certain instruments that produce the highest quality tones, with no corresponding conservation benefit."

    They got their wish Monday as a key CITES committee approved it. If finalized as expected this week, the exemption will allow finished musical instruments as well as parts and accessories containing rosewood to be transported freely around the world without permits.

    Trade in raw-material rosewood would remain regulated and subject to permits granted by individual countries.

    "Today was really the culmination of three years of productive dialog across musical instrument stakeholders, parties to the convention and also conservation groups," said League of American Orchestras lobbyist Heather Noonan.

    In a written statement to NPR, Lisa Handy, director of forest campaigns at the Environmental Investigation Agency, an advocacy group, called the exemption "a reluctant compromise for many rosewood source countries."

    "We remain concerned this could set a bad precedent," Handy wrote. "It will be even more imperative that the sourcing and manufacturing processes are well-controlled to ensure that rosewood-producing countries, which are struggling to control illegal loggers and trafficking ... receive the international support they need to implement the convention." "
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletbass man View Post
    I'm all for sustainable farming/forestry. But rosewood use for guitars is nothing compared to the furniture industry, which is really what CITES was meant to target. Think how many fretboards would go into one executive desk. I don't think there should be no regulations when it comes to musical instruments, but it's inclusion in Cites was a mistake.
    But, on the flipside, the market for rosewood-fretboard guitars is exponentially larger than that for rosewood executive desks. I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio between the two comes out a lot closer than you might think.

    This, however, I'm with you 100%. There's no good reason why sales of used guitars should fall under the same CITES restrictions as those for new guitars, aside from I'm sure the regulators just wanting to make their jobs easier and require documentation for everything, which creates major issues for guitarists. A relaxation on the rules for secondhand sales, or at least a grandfather period, would go a long way here.
    Quote Originally Posted by bulletbass man View Post
    Also unlike furniture musical instruments generally get resold often and often travel with it's owner. This is one of the major hurdles that heavily effect musicians under cites that could be eliminated under more specific regulation.
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    Can anyone *cite* an instance of someone getting caught with a guitar manufactured decades ago getting in trouble after submitting to an inspection? I mean, do they employ agents specifically versed in guitars? I'm betting the rules have never actually been enforced on individuals.

    I just have this mental vision of some manacled dude getting dragged away to a black site screaming, "IT'S PAU FERRO DAMN IT".

    While we're on the topic, do police need a warrant to search a guitar case?

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