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    Isn't that how companies make money now-a-days? Slap a name on it, have Ola, Keith, Rabea, and maybe Fluff demo it. The formula is so stale with the same demos over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy View Post
    Which is what, like 15 years old by now? That's gotta be a record.
    Well you know, it's just shorthand for the youtube era gear centric culture influencing gear buying musicians dynamic. Really more "post social media world metal" than "djent craze" if you want to split hairs I suppose.

    I actually have no idea what the current state of djent is. I don't know if it's fair to conflate djent with the post social media metal world as a 1:1 sort of thing, it's just easier to use and has sort of become the accepted term. Stylistically, the people involved who play strictly "djent" are probably a minority.

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    But yeah, technically analyzing it, using "craze" to imply a trend that one personally doesn't believe to have staying power (very optimistically) may be incorrect. Djent might have had more staying power than other flash in the pan sub-genres throughout the years, who knows?

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    Does it matter who is making them if the products are good, which in this case they, without question, are?

    It certainly doesn't matter to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Does it matter who is making them if the products are good, which in this case they, without question, are?

    It certainly doesn't matter to me.
    It's the industry equivalent of strip mining dude.

    Not even the big brands do that. Toontrack and Waves like, might send out relatively unobtrusive emails about, "Hey, we've got a new thing out, it might not even be in your niche, but it's out there if you are interested".

    Companies like this, when they come out with a product, they are just like, "THIS IS THE BEST MOST ADVANCED THING EVER, YOU NEED THIS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, THIS IS THE APEX, THAT'S WHY IT'S $150."

    Which is all well and good, but the buyer will eventually notice that a new product 3-6 months later comes along, and they say the exact same thing about it, and the thing you bought three months ago that was the most advanced ever and totally lifelike isn't good enough.

    It's a business model based around building a massive amount of hype and peer pressure when a product comes out, and charging as much as they possibly can. Whether that's a good business practice or not is up to you, but I will say this, In 4 years do you think they'll be on version 3.5 of the Plini VST? Fuck no. That is profitable for the span of less than a year and how well it sells is based on the massive explosion of hype and peer pressure social media culture. Their next product is going to replace it. When a company releases multiple products in the span of a year that are suddenly unequivocally the "best thing on the market by a huge margin", that's a huge red flag. Because either;

    A) They have a massive and highly skilled R&D team who make regular industry shattering breakthroughs every one to two months.
    B) Their products are all hype.

    This is a start up with four products, and every product has been industry shatteringly good if you believe the hype. Four products in the span of one year. Gimme a fucking break.

    Sure, marketing is inherently dishonest, but that sort of marketing is more dishonest than most.

    Look at every legit brands product life expectancy. Look at the R&D cycles for any other VST from a legit brand. How many years were there between Superior Drummer 2 and 3?

    On the other hand, how many months are there going to be between Neural DSPs hot new item that blows everything else away and the next groundbreaking VST by Neural DSP? Maybe 2 if you are lucky.

    Expansive Suite of VST tools that shatter the industry's preconceptions of what amp sims are capable of, or a relatively generic amp sim program with slick UI, licensing the name of whatever is most in at the moment, and aggressive marketing? That's up to the user to decide, but when you look at the time frame involved in developing their products it pretty clearly points to only one of those.

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    The objection to a lot of these modern brands isn't even stylistic, it's that they operate on the same model of "planned obsolescence" as industries like smart phone manufacturers.

    With VSTs there is no physical waste, but the issue with planned obsolescence is that they sell you this really sweet idea that you are getting the most cutting edge thing possible, when in reality they have something even more "cutting edge" coming out in 8-12 weeks.

    I would always rather spend money with someone who has a passion for advancing what they are doing instead of someone who is more interested in a license to print money. Stuff like Strymon and Mesa and shit like that is expensive, but I have faith that the company made it as well as they possibly could, not that they have something lined up that is going to make it obsolete in 3 months time.

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    I think you are taking this too personal.

    Of course being Companies they want profit as any company wants. They target their potential user base and throw out products that gather to them. The Nameless guess it was a "success" or else they would not have released more. Having coded one Amp the rest is most certain just some tweaks to get other sounding one and then capitalize on the R&D.

    Ever wondered where is the guy behind Le Pou VSTs? or Vadim Taranov? or Nick Crow? Those guys kinda dissapeared from the scene (except Vadim), pretty sure they are working for some company if they are still on the VST Amps area.

    As long as people are willing to buy these and they aren't total ripoffs (like that certain VST that came out last year with the name of a famous guitar player an doesn't really sound that good), let them make the flavor of the month. I think the Plini being 3 Amps with some FX is much more appealing to me than paying the same for the other two Amps they released. Will I buy it? Maybe, not sure. I pretty much prefer the new Ax thing to be honest so I might save the money on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg McCoy View Post
    I also love how Fortin announced they were partnering with them with, "For years now I've felt that VSTs don't capture the real feeling of amps......UNTIL THIS VST THAT WE COINCIDENTALLY MAKE MONEY OFF OF CAME ALONG".
    To be fair Fortin could shit in a box marked "Fortin Amps" and his fanboys would buy it. I don't think the plugin was going to make or break him in any instance.
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