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    "Humongous Wall of Guitars..."

    L6 sent out their latest blog post, coming from Michael Bienhorn, who refers to his mixing in one aspect as creating a "humongous wall of guitars" then they cite the bands he's produced, including Soundgarden, Aerosmith, Ozzy Osbourne, Hole, Korn, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

    I'm not sure I think of any of those bands when I picture "humongous wall of guitars", but YMMV...

    One thing that stuck out to me was:

    I have always preferred to position the capsules right up on the speaker grill, dead center on the speaker cone, because thatís where all the definition and presence are. As you start to move away from that it tends to muddy the sound up a little bit.
    Another interesting thing he said:

    And Iíve found that with a 4◊12 or a 4◊10 cab there are usually no more than two speakers that are good. Typically, there will be one that sounds great, one that sounds really good, and the other two are just meh or even bad. Once in a while there will be a cabinet with only one good speaker, and then Iíll have to determine whether itís going to be better if I just pick a single mic and live with it, or if I want to use two mics on that single speaker.
    Here's the whole post.

    What do you think?
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    There's no right or wrong...

    It all depends on what sound you want for a certain song/album/band/project.........................

    Case by case!

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    I generally agree with him about the speaker quality thing. I know in my Engl the top two speakers are meh, bottom right is good, and bottom left is fucking incredible. Disagree with him about the mic position thing, though. While that position can sound great, sometimes a tone is asking for the mic to be put somewhere else.
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    I'd think with the mic positioned on axis and dead center, that you'd have to apply a shit ton of post EQ to make it sound decent. However, if he's using a 421 or a ribbon mic (121 or 160), then I agree that they sound better close and centered. A 57 in that position wouldn't be good.

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    Straight down the centre is quite a well known technique, I've done it before with an M160 and it worked well and I know all of Josh Middleton sounds are done that way, mainly with a single 57.

    I think it's one of those things where you can only try it and trust your ears rather than what you 'think' it would sound like.

    I remember years back, Russ Russell posted a picture on the Sneap forum of his mic'ing for a Napalm Death album which was four mics on a single speaker. He got vilified by all the knowledgeable internet contributors that 'this can't sound good', 'no, that won't work' etc But ultimately, have any of them recorded albums for At the Gates, Dimmu Borgir, Brujeria, Samael, Evile, The Wildhearts etc? Sometimes, something works because it just does.

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    Isn't that Yngwies practice set-up?

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    I've heard LOTS of different people say that if you audition all four speakers of a 4x12, you WILL have a preference. I haven't done this in years, I've just gravitated to one and stuck with it, but I should probably do it again. But, yeah, that's pretty standard.

    As for close micing a speaker right on the cone? Eh, depends on the amp, depends on the mic, depends on the sound you're after. For me, with a SM57, a V30, and a Recto, this is too bright. It might work for aggressive rhythm tones with my Mark, though. A ribbon or something darker, however, could very well work right on the center.
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    This was the song that got me into Ozzy right after I started playing guitar. That’s what I call a wall of guitars, despite the producer involved. (In this case, it was Beinhorn)

    The guy’s got a hell of a lot more cred to his name than I do and most likely ever will, so I have a hard time challenging his opinions. I know in my case, I’ve never put a mic in the center of a speaker and heard a good sound come from it, but I’m limited to experience with a 57 and an e609.
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