[Harry]

I see all this "Meshuggah clone" crap being bandied around, but now that I've heard the album close to 30 times, I can barely hear much Meshuggah influence at all. It seems the band draws far more from SikTh than Meshuggah.
Opinions?

 

[stealthtastic]

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The only thing meshuggah and periphery have in common is their love of confusing time signitures and allan holdsworth solos.

 

[Naren]

My Periphery album came in the mail yesterday and I listened to it once yesterday and once today. I played a song off of it at my band practice today and one of the members said, "They sound a lot like Sikth." and I said, "Yeah, pretty comparable."

Periphery's early stuff with Jake Veredika sounded a lot more like Meshuggah since Jake sang a lot like Jens Kidman. But, even then, Meshuggah generally will have a 5 minute long song made up of 3 riffs, all of which sound very similar, which is the exact opposite of how Periphery does things.

I hear influences from Sikth, Textures, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Meshuggah, and a lot of other bands, but anyone who thinks they are a clone of ANY of those bands is either insane or just being an asshole.

 

[technomancer]

I hear influences from Sikth, Textures, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Meshuggah, and a lot of other bands, but anyone who thinks they are a clone of ANY of those bands is either insane or just being an asshole.

The end must be near, I agree with Naren on something :lol:

I've listened to the album a lot, and I have to say I think Periphery sounds like Periphery... and anybody who is saying anything else hasn't really listened to the album :shrug:

 

[eleven59]

Yeah, definitely I hear more Sikth than Meshuggah, but as Naren and Techno said, they're their own blend of a lot of influences, as any good band should be.

 

[Harry]

BTW, hopefully there is no misinterpretation.
I'm not saying they don't have an individual sound at all, in fact I'd go so far to say they are one of the few bands in recent metal history that actually have forged a unique sound.
They take all their influences but still give it their own sound.

Here's what some asshole said on SS.org recently :
"wtf "generic " means to you guys ? generic to me are all this meshuggah clones with gay singing all over the place, thats generic , not Cannibal Corpse."

Such a subtle dig at Periphery:roll2:

Personally I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says, I think the vocals are FUCKING AWESOME and fit the music perfectly.
Spencer has a unique voice and an amazing ability to go from cleans to screams so seamlessly.
Can't wait to see them live on the 19th

 

[stuh84]

I would prefer other vocals in Periphery, something more like Christian Alvestram (whether it would work is another matter), but it doesn't ruin the music for me at all. I like the new album.

 

[Josh]

I hate death metal screams/growls, personally and in the vast majority of cases. Especially the 'stuck vomiting pig' kind.

I'd rather hear what Warrel Dane or someone like that would do over the music.

 

[Harry]

I hate death metal screams/growls, personally and in the vast majority of cases. Especially the 'stuck vomiting pig' kind.

I'd rather hear what Warrel Dane or someone like that would do over the music.

Honestly I think clean vocals would totally ruin a song like Zyglrox.
It's not meant to be a pretty song with nice, clean vocals. You'd be missing the point of the song wanting clean vocals over it.
IT HAS to have harsh vocals because it's what the song is about

 

[Reverend 7 Strings of Hate]

For me, the singing is horribly emo and completely ruins it for me. Instrumentally they rock.

 

[Leona]

I'm not saying they don't have an individual sound at all, in fact I'd go so far to say they are one of the few bands in recent metal history that actually have forged a unique sound.

I always hate it when people use that phrase. There's tons of bands doing their own thing and making their "own sound" recently.

 

[Naren]

Honestly I think clean vocals would totally ruin a song like Zyglrox.
It's not meant to be a pretty song with nice, clean vocals. You'd be missing the point of the song wanting clean vocals over it.
IT HAS to have harsh vocals because it's what the song is about

:agreed:

I think that Periphery has a pretty good balance of aggressive vocals (not death vocals, although they get close to death vocals in Zyglrox and parts of Racecar) and clean vocals. They seem to know where the clean vocals work well and where the aggressive vocals work much better.

Putting clean vocals in a lot of parts of Periphery's music would completely erase all of the tension and aggression they have going.

Periphery with 100% clean vocals all the time just wouldn't be the same.

 

[Josh]

Honestly I think clean vocals would totally ruin a song like Zyglrox.
It's not meant to be a pretty song with nice, clean vocals. You'd be missing the point of the song wanting clean vocals over it.
IT HAS to have harsh vocals because it's what the song is about

Clean vocals =/= "pretty."

It's very possible to have a brutal sounding singer who doesn't growl or scream. Bands were doing it for years before the advent of cookie monster growls and stuck-pig vocals.

This is a very opinionated response I know, but the vocals were the only reason I did not buy the album, even after hearing it at the local guitar store a few times.

 

[eleven59]

^ :agreed: Just like having nothing but aggressive vocals would ruin their music too. They're all about the dynamics and tension/release.

 

[Naren]

Clean vocals =/= "pretty."

It's very possible to have a brutal sounding singer who doesn't growl or scream. Bands were doing it for years before the advent of cookie monster and stuck-pig vocals.

Cookie monster vocals and stuck-pig vocals are not the only kinds of aggressive vocals out there.

It is possible to have a "brutal-sounding singer" who doesn't use either of those singing styles (I personally HATE those pig vocals), but it is impossible to have a "brutal-sounding singer" who only does clean vocals.

Before death growls, there were lots of other kinds of aggressive vocals. From even as early as the 1960s, although they were more underground until the mid to late 70s.

 

[Harry]

Personally to me, clean vocals just can't sound brutal.
I don't mean this in a bad way though.
It's just that to me personally, brutal is screams and growls, whereas clean vocals can still drive a song and make it sound heavy, but not "brutal" per se, if that makes sense.
Cleans are a melodic device generally, whereas screams and growls are a rhythmic and textural vocal style that feels like it's another part of the rhythm section with the guitars, bass and drums. When the whole band is just a rhythm section like that, that's when it's truly brutal IMO.
That's why I love death metal really, it's just this intense, amazing wall of rhythm section that makes me feel hyped up and energized and want to just go outside and destroy buildings and all kinds of positive aggression feelings I get from listening to it.

 

[Josh]

Yeah. See, I like melody (even a slight one) in my music. "Wall of rhythm section" just doesn't appeal to me, unless it's done in a melodic way like Keith Merrow, Novembers' Doom, or Amon Amarth.

 

[jdonegan]

I said the same thing (Periphery sounding more like Sikth) in the Meshuggah clone thread on the other site and everyone ignored it :lol:

 

[406]

periphery rule - on the instrumental side. the vocals kill it for me, so i cant listen to any song. they just sound too "emo 2k" for me.

also, i know that everyone is getting a hard on on it - but seriously, for me the guitar sound has something extremely annoying, and the programmed drums to it...the whole stuff just sounds "plastic" imho.

FWIW: i also cant listen to Sikth, again because of the vocals. 90s screamo on one side, late emo on the chorus..nononono, do not want.

 

[Harry]

The drums aren't programmed though.
It's legit real playing with a Roland TD-20 kit and then using Superior 2.0 samples.
They were going to have an actual acoustic drum kit but they ditched that idea.
Not saying that will make you enjoy it any better, but I'd like to just actually have the truth out there and dispel the rumor about it being programmed.