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Godammit. Another legend and pioneer gone.

Good journey, Chuck Berry.
 

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I was starting to think Chuck was going to be the first to cheat death. Dude was able to do it for a VERY long time, we should all be so lucky. RIP Chuck, you were one of the original path finders.:yesway:
 

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If you didn't learn one of his licks when you were learning guitar, were you really learning guitar?

Rest in Power!
 

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This is going to be a bitch of a death for the rock/metal community to handle.

It's necessary to preserve his legacy as one of the folk heroes of rock, because he was massively/pre-eminently important...

But holy fuck did he do a lot of reprehensible/disgusting shit. In the current SJW climate that is going to be a shitstorm in the next couple of days. It's no secret that rock/metal is a bunch of old white guys who are willing to look the other way on shit like that. If he was anyone less important/foundational it wouldn't even be a question, but unfortunately he's so incredibly influential that we're just going to excise all the nasty bits for the good of community and the sense of history.

It's no secret that I fucking hate Jimmy Page and don't listen to Led Zeppelin. That dude straight up raped/kidnapped some underage girl. Even if I did like their music that much (I don't), I'm not for idolizing shitty people. I don't listen to Dissection at all, I can't personally reconcile liking some douchebag murder for their art and don't subscribe to "separate the art and the artist" bullshit.

So yea, tough situation to say the least. It's not right to look the other way on all the terrible shit he did, but he's too important to write off.

Guess that's the human condition or some shit. Massively important dude, really of unprecedented importance, but I am disappointed in a lot of the communities willingness to "forget" a lot of the horrible shit he did.
 

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What if you're just uneducated on it? *points to himself*
 

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This is going to be a bitch of a death for the rock/metal community to handle.

It's necessary to preserve his legacy as one of the folk heroes of rock, because he was massively/pre-eminently important...

But holy fuck did he do a lot of reprehensible/disgusting shit. In the current SJW climate that is going to be a shitstorm in the next couple of days. It's no secret that rock/metal is a bunch of old white guys who are willing to look the other way on shit like that. If he was anyone less important/foundational it wouldn't even be a question, but unfortunately he's so incredibly influential that we're just going to excise all the nasty bits for the good of community and the sense of history.

It's no secret that I fucking hate Jimmy Page and don't listen to Led Zeppelin. That dude straight up raped/kidnapped some underage girl. Even if I did like their music that much (I don't), I'm not for idolizing shitty people. I don't listen to Dissection at all, I can't personally reconcile liking some douchebag murder for their art and don't subscribe to "separate the art and the artist" bullshit.

So yea, tough situation to say the least. It's not right to look the other way on all the terrible shit he did, but he's too important to write off.

Guess that's the human condition or some shit. Massively important dude, really of unprecedented importance, but I am disappointed in a lot of the communities willingness to "forget" a lot of the horrible shit he did.
Better to stay that way in all honesty.
Dude, I know he did some terrible shit. I, and many others I assume, are praising his mark left on music and the instrument. Make a separate thread and bash him all you want but I don't think this is the thread to stand on your soapbox. Unless your intention was to make people feel like shit for commenting on a guitar/music ledgend that passed when most probably have no idea of his troubled history in his personal life.
 

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Can just hear him and BB King jamming in heaven... #BestBlues/RockConcertEVER
 

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This is going to be a bitch of a death for the rock/metal community to handle.

It's necessary to preserve his legacy as one of the folk heroes of rock, because he was massively/pre-eminently important...

But holy fuck did he do a lot of reprehensible/disgusting shit. In the current SJW climate that is going to be a shitstorm in the next couple of days. It's no secret that rock/metal is a bunch of old white guys who are willing to look the other way on shit like that. If he was anyone less important/foundational it wouldn't even be a question, but unfortunately he's so incredibly influential that we're just going to excise all the nasty bits for the good of community and the sense of history.

It's no secret that I fucking hate Jimmy Page and don't listen to Led Zeppelin. That dude straight up raped/kidnapped some underage girl. Even if I did like their music that much (I don't), I'm not for idolizing shitty people. I don't listen to Dissection at all, I can't personally reconcile liking some douchebag murder for their art and don't subscribe to "separate the art and the artist" bullshit.

So yea, tough situation to say the least. It's not right to look the other way on all the terrible shit he did, but he's too important to write off.

Guess that's the human condition or some shit. Massively important dude, really of unprecedented importance, but I am disappointed in a lot of the communities willingness to "forget" a lot of the horrible shit he did.
Don't know that anyone "forgets;" some people just don't know or never looked into it.

I knew Chuck Berry as a musician, not personally. I also didn't know Ike Turner, BB King, Muddy Waters, Prince, David Bowie, or Hank Williams, but I can recognize the loss each of their deaths represented to music without saying, "Gee whiz, Wally, he wasn't always the nicest guy in Mayfield."
 

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I had no clue on what he did... it was the mention here that led me to go google it... yeah it was despicable...
 

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But holy fuck did he do a lot of reprehensible/disgusting shit. In the current SJW climate that is going to be a shitstorm in the next couple of days.
So, don't do your part to make that happen. This is not the time for that (if there is one).

What's going on, I think, is that you're not old enough to remember when rock 'n' roll was considered dangerous music made by dangerous people. Even well into the '80s, it was usually assumed that rock musicians were total reprobates. It was during the '80s, when "rehab culture" came into vogue and the Sixties generation entered middle age, that this started to change. The music and musicians became more respectable. Now, it's "dad music."

Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis and B.B. King and Ike Turner and Johnny Cash were all roadmen who lived basically outside the law, not that different than bikers or drifters. That was a lot of their appeal, in a much more constrained age. The British guys who came after them, like Zeppelin and the Stones, were only more excessive because they had the money to indulge and hide behind security and gated walls.

If you're going to go all SJW about the classic rock you choose, you might as well stick to Pat Boone and the Osmonds.
 

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Make a separate thread and bash him all you want but I don't think this is the thread to stand on your soapbox. Unless your intention was to make people feel like shit for commenting on a guitar/music ledgend that passed when most probably have no idea of his troubled history in his personal life.
"Hey, maybe it's a bit much to call this dude who has been convicted of rape, sexual assault, and child porn a hero."

"Get off your damn soapbox."

Come on dude. Society needs to stop idolozing Rock Stars who did shitty things. Look at the public response to his death. Why the fuck do you think everyone famous that has released a statement is somehow magically 95% men?

Women aren't saying anything about it, because for the second time in less than a year a bunch of dudes are going out of their way to treat a rapist like a hero. Go look at every article on "celebrities in the music world honoring chuck berry's death". It's all fucking dudes. It's not like the stuff he did is easy to brush off.
 

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"Hey, maybe it's a bit much to call this dude who has been convicted of rape, sexual assault, and child porn a hero."

"Get off your damn soapbox."

Come on dude. Society needs to stop idolozing Rock Stars who did shitty things. Look at the public response to his death. Why the fuck do you think everyone famous that has released a statement is somehow magically 95% men?

Women aren't saying anything about it, because for the second time in less than a year a bunch of dudes are going out of their way to treat a rapist like a hero. Go look at every article on "celebrities in the music world honoring chuck berry's death". It's all fucking dudes. It's not like the stuff he did is easy to brush off.
Chuck Berry was a major positive influence on my musical life since early childhood. So while I don't in any way support the terrible things he did, I can't change the impact he had on a very important part of my life. So like I said.....not the thread for this shit.

I never said he was a great person, just saying he was a pioneer for guitar and rock n roll.
 

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If were going to point out geniuses that also were total assholes, we won't be done soon.
 
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