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That thing with the "last thing Mr. Miyagi taught me" on the rock, I can just tell, is going to be dumb. :lol:
It totally fucking is. :lol:
 

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Nothing is as painful as watching him try to be the teacher. He feels like a corporate video presentation of being a teacher. :lol:

Wait until you get on the other side of episode ten, since I think Miguel is the character that shows the most depth, change, and complication of the entire series.

Hawk is quite obviously the "Get him a body bag!" character of the series. :lol:
Having finished the series tonight, I agree on both counts. As for the acting, it could be a combination of actors that haven't done anything in years and probably low-cost directing or a shoe string budget that didn't allow for a terribly large amount of takes. Either way, Daniel and Johnny were pretty poorly acted, however I actually dug the acting from the kids especially Miguel and Robby. Acting aside, it was still such a fun show! That scene of them singing along to REO Speedwagon in the Firebird was so damn surreal it was awesome.
 

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Yeah, the REO Speedwagon scene ruled, and that whole thing was kind of a missed opportunity for a happy resolution. :lol:

Finished season 1 last night. Hated the ending, for all the right reasons - moral ambiguity through the roof, the blurring of good and bad itself becomes blurred, and you don't like any of what you see happening. It sucks... But, it all makes sense and feels "real," and I can't argue for any of it.

I doubt I'll keep my YouTube Red subscription between now and then, but I'm looking forward for Season 2. This was way better than I expected.
 

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Finished season 1 last night. Hated the ending, for all the right reasons - moral ambiguity through the roof, the blurring of good and bad itself becomes blurred, and you don't like any of what you see happening. It sucks... But, it all makes sense and feels "real," and I can't argue for any of it.
I love how the end of the tournament was a total letdown, the complete opposite of the same moment in the original film. Johnny finally started to figure it out when his prize pupil was standing across from his son, and trying to get Miguel to back down showed him exactly where his tough guy ideology goes wrong. I hope Miguel figures it out before it's too late for him, which you started to see hen he was walking around after the tournament, looking for his ex.

The whole Miyagi-Do dojo thing was just awful cheese, and it doesn't really track. How is Daniel going to have time to teach a school full of students while running a large business? It's not like he has other adults to turn to for help. If they ended it there, I'd have been royally pissed. I'm just not that invested in Daniel at all at this point. I think it would have been more interesting if the whole Daniel gets his groove back visit to Miyagi's grave led to him trying to reform Cobra Kai from within--I honestly expected a post-tournament conversation between Johnny and Daniel, considering Daniel had to see the pain on Johnny's face--but instead it was left lying on the table.

However, ending number three with Kreese walking back into Johnny's life was aces. It was one of the few things I didn't see coming (at least until the Daniel scene cut to Johnny drowning his sorrows), and the look of horror on his face was priceless. It would be cool if they pull a Luke in The Last Jedi thing and have Johnny kick him out for good at the beginning of the first episode of season two, but I don't really see that happen. As long as they don't suck the life out of the story by making it a fight over legal ownership of the name, though, it should be interesting.

There are a lot of different ways they can go with season two, and I can't wait to see what happens.
 

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I mean, in some ways, the fight in the original was a tacked on happy ending that just isn't that plausible - the badly injured Danny holds to a draw and then dispatches the bad guy with a single kick. It's the classic ending of its era, whereas this ending is the classic ending of ours - Johnny sees, suddenly and abruptly, the danger in his own ideology, and the good in Danny's, but it's too late - Miguel's "remember? No weakness?" doesn't even give him time to say anything in response before returning to the ring.

There's a couple ways that Miyagi-Do could go, one of the most plausible ones being the dealership business starts to suffer for it as Danny pursues his passion. I could also see his cousin being brought back in, with predictable bad impact. I'm less worried about the investment in Danny, though, than you are - at the start of Season 1, Johnny was the one we had no reason to give a shit about, and Danny was the good guy. Over the course of the season, Johnny is rehabilitated, to the point of even questioning his own teaching in the finale, whereas Danny is systematically cut down, from the white knight of the original to, at best, a good hearted guy letting his emotions get the best of him, to at worst kind of an asshole. Honestly, the best we see him is singing along with Johnny in the car and then getting drunk talking about their childhoods - that was a frustrating (again, not in a bad way) missed opportunity, as hhad they then not run into Robby in the dojo they very well might have buried the hatchet then and there.

Even then... I thought Johnny was going to apologize to Danny and Robby at the end, and I think we as viewers were supposed to feel like he very nearly did. He clearly wasn't happy, and if you'd asked me at that moment which man was going to tell Robby he fought with honor, I'd say it would have been a coin flip.

Kreese showing up, again, is one of those things you didn't WANT to happen, but totally works.

Plot points I could see going forward - Kreese muscles Johnny out of Cobra Kai and takes over the studio for himself, veering further into "the dark side," if you will, and pushing Johnny and Daniel closer to a reconciliation (Daniel clearly still blames Kreese more than Johnny). If Kreese does take control of the studio, Hawk clearly goes with him, though he went so far and so fast onto the dark side here that there almost has to be a snap-back of sorts. Daniel's business struggling as he dedicates more and more time to Cobra Kai. Sam clearly begins to train and compete, and I could see her facing off with and beating Miguel in the next tournament. If there's any chance for Miguel to abandon the dark side (I'm just blatantly using Star Wars metaphors here), it's probably through Sam more than it is through Johnny, even if he atones for his past mistakes. Daniel has to get students from somewhere, and while a few Cobra Kai defections would make sense (and would fan the flames of a Johnny/Daniel rivalry) I could see Miguel's nerdy friend who didn't join Cobra Kai being one of the early ones. A Sam/Robby romance is definitely being hinted at, and would be true to the original story arc - it's a tossup if they'll go for that, or just fuck with expectations, I think.

Thinking out loud here.

Looking forward to season 2 as well. Any idea when it airs?
 

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Dude, Drew, that was way overboard analysis right there for this show, and I'm loving reading it :vince:
 

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It totally fucking is. :lol:
It actually wasn't as bad as I was afraid it would be. :lol:

Vince - anything worth doing is worth overdoing!
 

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Not even close. I expected some major suspenseful - and stupid - plot point. :lol:
 

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:bump: Because these past few weeks have been nothing but a barrage of pop culture.

Season 2 is out and after smashing through it, Cobra Kai hasn't lost any of it's edge. It's still morally grey, complex and hard hitting as ever and goes even deeper with each character. Already have heavy speculations on what will happen in season 3.

Also one of the best high school fight scenes I've ever seen. It's almost on par with classic kung fu and big budget superhero movies.
 

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Oh nice, I recently got my girlfriend started on this, up through about episode 4. We'll have to wrap it up and move on to Season 2.
 

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Finally cought up with times and started watching this. Damn, I love it! Blasted through S1 in one day, in the middle of S2 right now - finishing it tonight probably with the Missus.

Awesome soundtrack also.
 

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Season 3 is out since yesterday - and as I was "slightly" hungover and couldn't do shit anyways, we bigned the whole season yesterday.
Still enjoying the shit out of it. Is it repetitive sometimes? Yes. Does this bother me? Not so much.
 

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As with most first episodes of any season of any show, this one set up a lot of what's coming in the new season. The best part was how they wrote Aisha out of the show. Her parents moved away.
 

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Season 2 didn’t do it for me until the very end. It lost a lot of what made it fun in the first season. Season 3 was way darker, but I enjoyed the hell out of it. The acting of Machio and Zabka have definitely gotten better.
 

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Season 2 didn't do it for me until the very end. It lost a lot of what made it fun in the first season. Season 3 was way darker, but I enjoyed the hell out of it. The acting of Machio and Zabka have definitely gotten better.
That's cool to hear. I enjoyed Season 2, but I thought it was a big drop in quality from Season 1. I added Season 3 to my list earlier today, but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. Hopefully sometime this week. The trailers definitely look way darker, which is intriguing.
 

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Season 2 is the weakest of the lot (save the amazing finale). The lack of self awareness that oozed in Season 1 was to it's detriment, one of the most substantial storylines (relation between Johnny and Miguel) gets sidelines in favour of teen drama and the Miyagi Do kids (who take a ton of screen time) are all insufferable and a lot less interesting than the Cobra Kai kids (thought that's a minor quibble). Still a bad season of Cobra Kai is still strong and better than a lot of TV shows at their best.

I'm glad season 3 addresses a lot of season 2's issues and I agree that Zabka and Machio's acting have really stepped up.
 

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Dude, Elizabeth Shue. She’s friggin’ 57? She looks amazing. I had the most massive crush on her when I was a kid, mostly because of Karate Kid and Adventures in Babysitting.
 

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I wasn't the biggest Karate Kid fan growing up, and I can only remember seeing the first film, but I watched it again with my boys a few months ago before I was aware of Cobra Kai. Then I started watching the series.. I really liked things from Johnny's perspective and watching him teach Miguel. I also liked that Daniel comes off as a real douche. Season 2 got a bit off the rails with too much high school drama, but the season finale cliff hanger was amazing. I couldn't wait for season 3. I'll say 3 was good and seemed to refocus on the adults more. I'll withhold final judgment until season 4, which I assume will wrap it up.
 
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