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hello... Glad to be back guys, again with another useless question. I am looking for an amp to buy... A tube amp, for metal, all kinds, death, black, Any metal at all. But I am on a budget, as some of you may know, so I need to get a good one for a low price for home practice and possibly gigging...

I went to my local Sam ash, and tried out a few amps. I found a Bugera 6262 for a pretty cheap price, about $549.99, and their Speaker cabinet is $249.99. The tone was ok, but I didnt krank it, which is where the real metal tone is. I heard some sound clips of it kranked and man it was pretty damn heavy. I Have pedals as well so the FX loop is a bonus. I was thinkin about gettin this amp, and retubing it with a High gain Tube set From Eurotubes, specifically made for this amp, and buying a Sound Attenuator(If anybody knows one thats good and cheaper then the THD Hot plate, please let me know).

I also tried the Blackstar HT-20 Studio and i was able to krank it in the store because it wasnt Too loud, but of course i couldnt krank it all the way lol. But i Really liked the sound of it(Kranked) and It was small and compact and really nice... Not loud for a gig tho but still great for home. I was thinkin bout gettin some high gain tubes from eurotubes for this one as well(does anyone know if its fixed or adustable bias?)

I looked at(Not tried) a peavey Valveking 100 as well, and i liked its look, but idk if its a good metal head or not. If anyone can recommend any peavey's tat would be nice.

I originally wanted an Engl fireball but its WAY out of my budget because I still need the cab. My budget is about 1000 or less sadly for an amp... I dont know which one I want or am leaning toward... if anybody has any ideas or suggestions please let me know... What do you all think? Is a bugera's price worth it or is it a piece of junk? Is the blackstar nice and brutal enough? Does a peavey valveking knock the others away in the dirt?

Thank you all for your kind help :)
 

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I must point out that you would be mic'd at any gig worth playing, so that HT-20 that sounds good would in fact cut it for gigging ;).

What tones are you going for? It sounds like you may be better off with a quality modeler and one of the atomic powered cabs perhaps (you said all kinds of metal, amps generally do well in 1-3 categories..except there's at least 10 "types" of metal to play)
 

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Well ok... If i am in a band, I will probably playing Death metal or black metal, around types of music like Suffocation, Cradle of filth, Septic Flesh, Dimmu Borgir, stuff like tat... Maybe I should have said this in the first place lol. Wat you all think?
 

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In that price range, the used 5150 or 6505 head with a 2x12 is probably best. I wasn't quite as impressed with the Blackstar HT-20 as I am with the HT-5.
 

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Well ok... If i am in a band, I will probably playing Death metal or black metal, around types of music like Suffocation, Cradle of filth, Septic Flesh, Dimmu Borgir, stuff like tat... Maybe I should have said this in the first place lol. Wat you all think?
Are you shooting for more of a old school suffocation sound or that super tight and clear Septic Flesh. Pretty big difference between:


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Are you shooting for more of a old school suffocation sound or that super tight and clear Septic Flesh. Pretty big difference between:

YouTube - Suffocation - Torn Into Enthrallment

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YouTube - Septic Flesh - Persepolis
Yes yes i know... Im talkin about the heavyness. I love both the heavyness of the guitars and I want to be able to achieve a tone like that. I love the song Lovecrafts death, and Torn into enthrallment/Breeding the Spawn. U kno wat i mean? Sorry... im not good at explaining things. I love septic flesh's tight and heavy guitar... and I love suffocations tone as well... But i may be leanin more toword septic flesh tone...
 

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They're both very different tones but the 5150 will get you very close to Septic Flesh/Decapitated.

YouTube - Decapitated - Spheres Of Madness
Hmm... well lets say I waited for a while till I have a better budget... and I got a higher end amp... Lets say an Engl Fireball 100. How would that do? I saw suffocation use it on stage, some videos on youtube for holland 2010 have them using the fireball 100. I loved the tone... I dont need a tube amp right now, but i do need one... but i can wait if its more worth it. Wat u think?
 

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Honestly I don't know my amps that well at all and the rest of these guys know a lot more about amps than I do. Disclaimer being given; I didn't really like the Fireballs distortion that much. I've noticed a lot of people tend to sell them after a year or less complaining about how overly compressed they are. The 5150/6505 really isn't bad and I tried it a 6505+ out right next to the Fireball 100. :shrug:

Go to a few stores, fuck around with what they have then narrow it down.
 

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Honestly I don't know my amps that well at all and the rest of these guys know a lot more about amps than I do. Disclaimer being given; I didn't really like the Fireballs distortion that much. I've noticed a lot of people tend to sell them after a year or less complaining about how overly compressed they are. The 5150/6505 really isn't bad and I tried it a 6505+ out right next to the Fireball 100. :shrug:

Go to a few stores, fuck around with what they have then narrow it down.
Overly compressed? Hmm... Everytime i play one i never feel that way... The amp does take a bit of adjustment to get the right tone but once u got it, its amazing... I guess thats jus me tho... everybodys different. Ill have to go back to my sam ash'es and try more amps lol.
 

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I would watch craigslist in your area for a used 6505/+. Deals can be had for cheaper than that Bugera, and either one is aggressive enough for what you want. A used Peavey Triple XXX will get a killer Death Metal tone as well(Souls to Deny era Suffocation).

The Engl Fireball is compressed, but some of us actually like that. :lol: The #1 complaint is that the 60 has trouble cutting through a live mix with another guitarist. This was supposedly rectified by the "mid boost" and extra headroom on the 100watt, but there are still people complaining. :shrug: The guys I see selling these because they are "too compressed" usually end up flipping amp after amp as well.
 

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I would watch craigslist in your area for a used 6505/+. Deals can be had for cheaper than that Bugera, and either one is aggressive enough for what you want. A used Peavey Triple XXX will get a killer Death Metal tone as well(Souls to Deny era Suffocation).

The Engl Fireball is compressed, but some of us actually like that. :lol: The #1 complaint is that the 60 has trouble cutting through a live mix with another guitarist. This was supposedly rectified by the "mid boost" and extra headroom on the 100watt, but there are still people complaining. :shrug: The guys I see selling these because they are "too compressed" usually end up flipping amp after amp as well.
See I just want an amp that I can keep an enjoy for years and years to come and wont die(Tubes of course will), and I will not get tired of the tone... I normally find a tone i like and stick with it for a long long time.
 

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FWIW, my mate had the 60w Fireball, and he plays everything from Suffocation to Morbid Angel and to Decapitated with nothing but an ISP Decimator, and it slayed. I don't think there's a better amp for death metal IMO. I know my next amp will be a Fireball 100, so I can run that and my Blackstar side by side.
 

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some dude in your area is selling a 6505+ for $1200!!! Makes me lol everytime. Don't buy from that guy. They're less brand new!

San Antonio's Craigslist is pretty busy, but not as busy as Austin's. So +1 to buying one of those used.
 
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