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Real Recto vs. a bunch of modelers

I think a lot of the modelers sounded really good.

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Ah shit, MPexus already posted this in the Recording forum. :lol:
 

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I always thought the LePou's controls "responded" a lot like the real thing, such that a given set of knob settings on a Recto and on the Lecto would sound pretty similar. Nice to hear some independent confirmation of that. It wasn't nearly as fun to play through, but in a pinch I'd have no problem using one in a recording.
 

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I always thought the LePou's controls "responded" a lot like the real thing, such that a given set of knob settings on a Recto and on the Lecto would sound pretty similar. Nice to hear some independent confirmation of that. It wasn't nearly as fun to play through, but in a pinch I'd have no problem using one in a recording.
Agreed 100%. Snag Mercuriall's Greed Smasher OD to put in front of it, and for absolute free you can have a killer Mesa sound. I've been a fan of LePou for awhile, and I think it's by far the best Recto modelling VST out there.
 

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Agreed 100%. Snag Mercuriall's Greed Smasher OD to put in front of it, and for absolute free you can have a killer Mesa sound. I've been a fan of LePou for awhile, and I think it's by far the best Recto modelling VST out there.
I own a real tube screamer if I want that sound, and more often than not I don't even bother using it. Of course, I also own a real Rectifier, so we're talking hypotheticals anyway.

Eh, I think it's nifty.
 

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I have never heard of the "Overloud" sim but it sounded the closest to me :shrug:
 

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I wanna put this into three categories:

1. What sounded the most similar?
Personally I found the HELIX to be most similar. It had a little more tendency in the mids, but the gain sounded very similar.
(EQ wise the LePou sounded very simiarl, but the gain was VERY WEAK on the chugged notes)

Studio Devil Amp Modeler was VERY close too!

2. Which one did I actually LIKE this most?
Brainworx Mega Dual had a very cool low mid sound, and the gain was great. It was fairly different from the real deal, but it was my favorite sound out of the bunch.
I might wanna try this one out some day :yesway:

3. The bad...
Bias was kinda yucky, to be honest. :rant:
Some of the others was extremly muddy in the topend.
At least they can't blamed for "digital fizz" :lol:
 

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I have never heard of the "Overloud" sim but it sounded the closest to me :shrug:
I liked that one and the LePou the best. Would dig seeing this test done with more modelers and the 5150/6505 amps.
 

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Awesome, I didn't realise someone shared this video here.

This was such a fun test to make!
Firstly because I had just bought my first ever Mesa so it was just a lot of fun to play through it, but it was also so interesting to see how all the modelers compared.

Right now I do believe that tube amps still sound a little different than modelers and one could argue that they sound better.
I hadn't used tube amps for about 12 years until a few months back.
Especially since recently I felt that amps sims just were 'there'.
I still believe that some modelers like the Axe Fx and Helix are really good and I use them all the time for various reasons, however they are not there yet so I feel like tube amps still have a place, as they should.

I now own 9 tube amps and it feels like I'm discovering that whole thing again.
There just is something magical about tube amps.
Even when going through a load box with IR's like how I use em most of the time.

Which amp sims did I enjoy personally?
The fractal came pretty close and I think that Helix did pretty well although the Recto amp sim from the Helix is definitely dated so I feel like their more recent amp models are much better.
So in this test Helix did surpringly well.
TH3 was also pretty good.
Some people really liked the Brainworx one but the low end felt too flat to me and I had to tweak the controls quite drastically to get it to sound closer.

I did not like Amplitibe and Bias at all.
I really do not understand how Bias can be such a popular platform because it just sounds so bad to me.
Personal taste I guess.

I really wanted Thermionik to do better because I like Kazrog and shane, great company.
I just wish that it had way less of that mid honkyness going on.
 

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Since Kemper is not on the list and I am actively recording with a Dual Rec profile. Heres my take. Its not apples to apples as I am not using that IR though.

In vein of the vids riff. Didn't want to rip it off and post it :cool:
 

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Since Kemper is not on the list and I am actively recording with a Dual Rec profile. Heres my take. Its not apples to apples as I am not using that IR though.

In vein of the vids riff. Didn't want to rip it off and post it :cool:
Thanks for sharing that!
I actually owned a Kemper for a while but I sold it because it just wasn't for me.
It's definitely capable of making very accurate amp profiles but I just couldn't get it to fit in my workflow well.
I'm sure in this test it would have gotten pretty darn close!
 

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Awesome, I didn't realise someone shared this video here.

This was such a fun test to make!
Firstly because I had just bought my first ever Mesa so it was just a lot of fun to play through it, but it was also so interesting to see how all the modelers compared.

Right now I do believe that tube amps still sound a little different than modelers and one could argue that they sound better.
I hadn't used tube amps for about 12 years until a few months back.
Especially since recently I felt that amps sims just were 'there'.
I still believe that some modelers like the Axe Fx and Helix are really good and I use them all the time for various reasons, however they are not there yet so I feel like tube amps still have a place, as they should.

I now own 9 tube amps and it feels like I'm discovering that whole thing again.
There just is something magical about tube amps.
Even when going through a load box with IR's like how I use em most of the time.
Now, I've been slowly buying amps I've always wanted to own for a while, slowly collecting them. Ever since I got a torpedo studio so I could use them I've really been enjoying recording and playing through them at home. I started with 4 amps this year, and have now gone up to 7 (although I still haven't collected one).

I got an axe fx 2 a while back, which I was hoping I could use for recording, but nothing has really gelled with it or stuck out, and everytime i plug into an actual amp, there's just something more fun about playing it, feels nicer, more inspired. I think one thing is that I don't tweak as much using an amp, just set it to a sound, do a few adjustments, and then just go with it. Plus i can touch the knobs, which is really nice.

Thing is, a lot of amps are now selling for not that much as noone wants them like they used to, so you can pick up bargains. I'm quite happily slowly hoarding them when I find ones i wanted as a kid, or ones that I've wanted to try out.
 

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Now, I've been slowly buying amps I've always wanted to own for a while, slowly collecting them. Ever since I got a torpedo studio so I could use them I've really been enjoying recording and playing through them at home. I started with 4 amps this year, and have now gone up to 7 (although I still haven't collected one).

I got an axe fx 2 a while back, which I was hoping I could use for recording, but nothing has really gelled with it or stuck out, and everytime i plug into an actual amp, there's just something more fun about playing it, feels nicer, more inspired. I think one thing is that I don't tweak as much using an amp, just set it to a sound, do a few adjustments, and then just go with it. Plus i can touch the knobs, which is really nice.

Thing is, a lot of amps are now selling for not that much as noone wants them like they used to, so you can pick up bargains. I'm quite happily slowly hoarding them when I find ones i wanted as a kid, or ones that I've wanted to try out.
Yeah man, there are some good deals out there for sure.
As soon as I have the cash I want to get a Mesa MK V 25/35....
 

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Yeah man, there are some good deals out there for sure.
As soon as I have the cash I want to get a Mesa MK V 25/35....
I was lusting after a mark series amp, ended up buying another triaxis, gives me the mark tone fix, and with the ld1 red (recto, without the fat mod) i also got one of my favorite rectifier versions as well! Whole setup with a 2:90 power amp was still less than a mark V (even a 25/35 one)
 

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Yeah man, there are some good deals out there for sure.
As soon as I have the cash I want to get a Mesa MK V 25/35....
I was lusting after a mark series amp, ended up buying another triaxis, gives me the mark tone fix, and with the ld1 red (recto, without the fat mod) i also got one of my favorite rectifier versions as well! Whole setup with a 2:90 power amp was still less than a mark V (even a 25/35 one)
Do you really feel like the Triaxis can nail the MK tones?
I know it's good enough for a lot of guys like Metallica and Petrucci but with the amp modelers (Axe Fx and Mercuriall) I don't get that Mark feel and sound.
I know, not real amps but the Axe fx can definitely give an idea of how a real amp sounds...
Very curious about that!
 

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Do you really feel like the Triaxis can nail the MK tones?
I know it's good enough for a lot of guys like Metallica and Petrucci but with the amp modelers (Axe Fx and Mercuriall) I don't get that Mark feel and sound.
I know, not real amps but the Axe fx can definitely give an idea of how a real amp sounds...
Very curious about that!
It doesn't 100% do the amps it's got the preamps for (remember it's NOT a modeler), but it'll do 90-95% with the other 5-10% being it's own flavour, but the feel is all mark. I mean, it's mesa, each preamp is analogue, and each one is a mark preamp. Combine it with a 2:90 which is imulclass, well, you get the drift. It dials in like a mark series, all of them react like a mark series (various, from blackface mark1, to mark 2c+ to markIV etc etc). Best thing is to just read the triaxis manual. You'll most likely end up on reverb hunting for one within a few minutes.

Basically, it is a mark series amp with a rectifier stuck on (via a TX4 expansion board). You want the 2nd revision, TX4 board, without the phat mod. Best way to tell is via the serial number:
https://mesaboogie.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217784798-What-TriAxis-version-do-I-have-
 

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Now, I've been slowly buying amps I've always wanted to own for a while, slowly collecting them. Ever since I got a torpedo studio so I could use them I've really been enjoying recording and playing through them at home. I started with 4 amps this year, and have now gone up to 7 (although I still haven't collected one).
Damn. I have some catching up to do!
 
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