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Radial JCR Reamp + 57 + i5 (Some questions...)

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So my Radial JCR showed up today. Thing is pretty cool and worked right out of the box. Not much to it - plug in the right cables, set levels, go.



Here's the thing - I used some old DI tracks to practice with that I made with the Axe-Fx. They're definitely a lot lower output than the wet tracks. When I'm tracking, I have Output 1 on the Fractal set to a relatively normal output (-6db or so on the bus), and then I just crank the second output which generates the DI. Here's a pic from Reaper:



This works great going from Fractal to Fractal, and works great going Fractal_Made_DI->-Radial->-Mesa too. The thing is, when I run it into the JCR I have to really crank the output on the reamp box to get the right amount of gain out of the amp. I started out with the JCR output at noon, and it was like I had the volume knob rolled back on the guitar when it came out of the Mark V. I went back and forth between DI and Guitar (plugging into the amp) until I had it as close as I could get it in terms of tone/signal/etc.

Is this normal? You guys that reamp a lot - do you usually have to turn up the output on your reamp boxes quite a bit until it matches the signal from the guitar, or am I doing something wrong? Another way around it (that worked fairly well) was to normalize my DI tracks in Reaper, which let me set the output on the JCR quite a bit lower, but I still had to turn it up to gain match the actual guitar.

Other than that, here's what I'm fiddling around with. i5 on the left, 57 on the right:





I wish I had a second pair of hands to move the mic around, because even wearing cans it's a little tough to tell what the positioning does when I move them around when I'm in the same room as the blasting amp. Having a DI to test with is freakin' great though - much better than chugging away with one hand and tweaking the mics with the other.

This is pretty fun but I can't help but realize that I'm a serious novice when it comes to this side of things. :lol:
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I always run my reamp with the volume on 11.
I always run my reamp with the volume on 11.
Thanks - Obvious stupid question that I have to ask- that doesn't risk damaging the amp in any way, right?

This is a shitload of fun, btw. I just wish I wasn't so fucking awful at it. :lol:
No damage at all. It just like running a tiny boost pedal in front of the amp.
Thanks +1.

Man, the i5 is kind of shitting on the 57 to my ear. What's the magic secret to getting the Shure to not sound so... Nasally?
Nothing. That nasal sound helps the guitar sit well in the mix.
Was going to make comment about listening to the sm57 in context of mix. Instead got ninjacroox'd
Was going to make comment about listening to the sm57 in context of mix. Instead got ninjacroox'd
Since when do you record anything? :lol:

I am listening to it in the mix. It sounds like the amp is holding it's nose. :lol:
Move the mic to where it doesn't sound like that.

I usually put the mic on axis, 1" from the grill, close to where the cone hits the dust cap. Probably an inch or two to the left from this:



R.I.P. Shadow :(
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I really only like the 57 either on the dustcap or on the edge of the dust cap.
Wirelessly posted :)sponge:)

I tend to keep the 57 about halfway between the center and edge of the speaker, or a bit closer to the center. I almost never use it exactly centered or more than halfway out from center.
FWIW Chris, I prefer the i5 to 57 when I record too :lol:
I wish I had a second pair of hands to move the mic around, because even wearing cans it's a little tough to tell what the positioning does when I move them around when I'm in the same room as the blasting amp.
You clearly need a servant :crooks:
Setup reamp loop. Hit record. Sweep mic from left to right in the span of 4 bars. Stop. Listen to recorded mic. Get idea of where you like it the best. Profit.
Setup reamp loop. Hit record. Sweep mic from left to right in the span of 4 bars. Stop. Listen to recorded mic. Get idea of where you like it the best. Profit.
Even better, assign numbers to locations and when you move the mic to that location, just speak the number when you move the mic to it :yesway:
Even better, assign numbers to locations and when you move the mic to that location, just speak the number when you move the mic to it :yesway:
:yesway:
The 57 is brilliant but rather honky and shrill alone. When we recorded our newest release (tba) I think we were running 4 mics on my cab - a 57 on axis, just outside the dust cap, a a 421, a Coles 9" from the centre of the cab and all speakers and some wee doohicky I forget. Without the 57 the guitar sounds very dark - great alone but useless in the mix.

You could try putting the 57 off axis - I hated the 57 off axis as it was a lot darker to my ears, but I like a very bright guitar sound - but as Crooks said, really the best thing to do is play about.
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