[Cassidy]

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I've been using Pod Farm for about a year now, and whilst I love the ease of it, I'm just not able to craft a tone I'm happy with. It always sounds great for a bit, then I get the dreaded 'fizz' sound and can't shift it.

So, after playing around and discovering I can't get a good tone with the TriAxis either, I went back to my JMP-1. Was instantly pleased with the results. I mean, it's not the sound I want exactly, but it is ok to my ears.

I've also been working on a kit in Superior 2.0, and a bass patch in Pod Farm, and this is the overall result. I've recorded this song with my band about three times now. It's pretty old (and not where I am musically now). This version was knocked up in about four hours to give to a vocalist who is auditioning. The leads were thrown on just so it has a solo, but I'll want to refine this at some point.

On that note, I'm really not happy with the lead tone. It's a little too much like Yngwie (that's the only way I can describe it) for my liking. And when the harmony line comes in, it sounds like Brian May! That's not a sound I'm looking for. I'm not convinved I'll get the leads I want out of the JMP-1...

Drew stated that the tone I used on the video I did last wasn't very nice. A couple of people also said it sounded very digital. So, I hope this tone is an improvement. It was a concerted effort to be so.

 

[Gearwhore20]

Sounds good, but the riff thats starts at 0:34 has that digital clicky sound that makes triplets a bitch, the bass and kit sounded fantastical. I think the lead sounded awesome man, i love the neck pickup-y sound, and the melody was very well orchestrated with the other instruments. props.

Ever direct recorded an Engl E530? tasty-ness

also that 3:40 lil bass lick = awesome

 

[Cassidy]

Funny, I quite liked that click. I thought it was a sharp Evergrey-type tight sound. You think it still sounds digital? It's a tube pre-amp. If I can't get away from that digital sound with this, I'm doomed

That bass part is the only bass played by the bassist of the band. It's a really old recording, with a horrible sharp sound, but I couldn't play that bit, so I had to use it. I'll get him to redo it soon.

I'm pretty pleased with the kit. I think the snare needs a little work. It gets a bit buried. But glad someone else digs it, too.

I've not tried an E530, no. I'm interested in Engl, though. I've heard a few people who use them (mainly the Invader, but also the Powerball) and get tones I really like with them. I've read a lot of conflicting opinions about the E530. Several folk have said it doesn't have anywhere near the gain associated with Engl, and yet others have acknowledged this concern and then claimed it's false. I can't vouch for anyone's opinion on the subject, and I can't try one out.

Because of this, I've assumed I'd primarily be interested in their pricier stuff. The sounds I've liked have been mainly from the Invader, and I can't imagine their cheapest (pre)amp can relpicate the sound of one of their top tier amps. I've not heard many clips of the E530, and the ones I have clearly haven't attempted a very tight "modern" metal sound. Do you have clips of it?

And thanks for checking and the feedback, dude. Much appreciated.

 

[Professor Squidbeard]

Drum sounds are super personal. Especially when you're using a fake kit to generate them. i still prefer real drums at all times, even if they aren't recorded super well. They just sound better(to me). I generally will mix in a sample for the kick and maaaaybe the snare for a recording but will mix them low, depending on the kick sound i may replace it entirely and try to get a deeper, less clicky sound.

 

[Josh]

The low chugs are very, very tight; that makes it feel "digital" to me, but honestly I don't consider that too much of a knock. It still sounds great and I have no complaint about it.

 

[Cassidy]

Cool, thanks Josh. That's a nice bit of reassurance. I just listened again and I'm still pretty pleased with the tone. I don't hear a digital quality to it. Maybe my ears are fucked.

 

[eleven59]

It all sounds great to me :yesway: I really like the song too :hbang:

 

[Orsusmetal]

I thought that sounded badass. :yesway: The lead tone was awesome in my opinion. I also don't think it digital. Like said above, it is easier to here a digital tone when the rhythm "chugs" are so tight. I'm no recording expert or anything, but I think if you possibly recorded a bass track doing the same rhythms there, it will fill out some more low end giving it a more full, rounder, tight sound. Or maybe making the bass louder? I have no idea. Don't listen to me. :lol:

But like I said, I'm no recording expert and I struggle with recordings. Anyways, props for an awesome song.

 

[eleven59]

Giving it another listen, I'd probably thicken up the low-end on the guitars a bit, as they're a bit bright/thin sounding for my tastes, but they work as they are too. I just usually prefer a fuller/"thicker" rhythm guitar tone. I actually really like the lead tones.

As others have said, the drums and bass sound great.

 

[Cassidy]

^ You know, I came to the same conclusion today. I was messing with the patch, and I noticed where my mid settings were. The JMP-1 has tons of mids, so you need to scoop out more than you think. I turned down the mids and gave it a little more bass. It's a big improvement, I think.

I'll do an A/B clip today so you can hear the difference.

 

[Tom]

It sounds pretty good. :yesway: I kind of have a love/hate relationship with the JMP-1. I usually end up feeling like there's something missing from the tone, but there's some part of its character that I really love and that keeps me periodically coming back to it. Anyway, it sounds a little flat, but that's probably because there's no power amp sound aside from the basic EQ shaping of whatever power amp was used for whatever impulse you're using. That's probably why some people might perceive it as having a slightly PODlike tone. This sounds good, especially for just being hammered out in a few hours, but I've also probably heard better tones from you.

 

[eleven59]

It sounds pretty good. :yesway: I kind of have a love/hate relationship with the JMP-1. I usually end up feeling like there's something missing from the tone, but there's some part of its character that I really love and that keeps me periodically coming back to it. Anyway, it sounds a little flat, but that's probably because there's no power amp sound aside from the basic EQ shaping of whatever power amp was used for whatever impulse you're using. That's probably why some people might perceive it as having a slightly PODlike tone. This sounds good, especially for just being hammered out in a few hours, but I've also probably heard better tones from you.

Actually, that's a good point. I wonder what it would sound like with the "Power Amp" model from Pod Farm thrown in:
http://www.metalguitarist.org/forum...our-recorded-tone-stiff-fizzy-i-can-help.html

I found it smoothed out the highs a bit, shifted the mids into a nice place, and added some "thick" to the tone.

 

[Cassidy]

It sounds pretty good. :yesway: I kind of have a love/hate relationship with the JMP-1. I usually end up feeling like there's something missing from the tone, but there's some part of its character that I really love and that keeps me periodically coming back to it. Anyway, it sounds a little flat, but that's probably because there's no power amp sound aside from the basic EQ shaping of whatever power amp was used for whatever impulse you're using. That's probably why some people might perceive it as having a slightly PODlike tone. This sounds good, especially for just being hammered out in a few hours, but I've also probably heard better tones from you.

That's very similar to how I've felt about it. The best example of the amp sounding good is Circus Maximus's stuff. Whenever I listen to them, it makes me want to try to emulate that sound. I just can't quite get it, though.

I do have a Palmer PGA-04 that allows me to use my poweramp, but I can't get a transparent sound out of it (it's not designed to). I find it really dulls things down.

Actually, that's a good point. I wonder what it would sound like with the "Power Amp" model from Pod Farm thrown in:
http://www.metalguitarist.org/forum...our-recorded-tone-stiff-fizzy-i-can-help.html

I found it smoothed out the highs a bit, shifted the mids into a nice place, and added some "thick" to the tone.

That's a very good idea. I should give it a try. I meant to try it with pure Pod Farm anyhow, to see if it improved things. :yesway:

If you'll indulge me a little more, I worked on another song that's intended for the same album today. Again, quickly knocked up a version for the singer to audition over. But I tweaked this a quite a bit. I think it sounds a lot better.

The kit got the most work, really overhauled the toms and the snare. I might have too much Cavern mic on this, or too little - I had to keep the noise down, so I can't tell.

I also pumped some more low mids into the bass and took some mids out of the guitar. I tried adding in some bass, but it started woofing. But this is the same patch for most of the song. There's a tiny bit with a new patch, just so I could compare tones, I think it's an improvement. It might still come off as overly bright, still.

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[Gearwhore20]

Funny, I quite liked that click. I thought it was a sharp Evergrey-type tight sound. You think it still sounds digital? It's a tube pre-amp. If I can't get away from that digital sound with this, I'm doomed

That bass part is the only bass played by the bassist of the band. It's a really old recording, with a horrible sharp sound, but I couldn't play that bit, so I had to use it. I'll get him to redo it soon.

I'm pretty pleased with the kit. I think the snare needs a little work. It gets a bit buried. But glad someone else digs it, too.

I've not tried an E530, no. I'm interested in Engl, though. I've heard a few people who use them (mainly the Invader, but also the Powerball) and get tones I really like with them. I've read a lot of conflicting opinions about the E530. Several folk have said it doesn't have anywhere near the gain associated with Engl, and yet others have acknowledged this concern and then claimed it's false. I can't vouch for anyone's opinion on the subject, and I can't try one out.

Because of this, I've assumed I'd primarily be interested in their pricier stuff. The sounds I've liked have been mainly from the Invader, and I can't imagine their cheapest (pre)amp can relpicate the sound of one of their top tier amps. I've not heard many clips of the E530, and the ones I have clearly haven't attempted a very tight "modern" metal sound. Do you have clips of it?

And thanks for checking and the feedback, dude. Much appreciated.

E530 has more gain on tap that anyone needs. excellent piece of hardware. Most there good heads have Direct Recording option, my savage does, and it's a wonderful addition. U can hit the standby and still play through the preamp direct recorded so no noise at night but still great tone. I highly recommend it.

With that snare, add some compression, outboard or plug in, might be able to kick it up a little with some natural distortion. :yesway:

either way I'm digging it

 

[Cassidy]

Interesting to know about the heads' direct outs. I didn't know the heads had them. Makes me want one more! Thanks a lot for the info.

I massively compressed the snare on the second track. I'm now completely happy with the kit and bass. Just the guitars to refine now.

 

[Cassidy]

Interesting to know about the heads' direct outs. I didn't know the heads had them. Makes me want one more! Thanks a lot for the info.

I massively compressed the snare on the second track. I'm now completely happy with the kit and bass. Just the guitars to refine now.

 

[7deadlysins]

Really hearing the Evergrey tone/influence. Very badass, drums sound great as well. :yesway: