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Returned Ibanez RGA8! "That BUZZ"!! Schecter Damien 8 or Agile Intrepid Pro Dual?

This is my second post and I still don't have an 8 and I still don't know what to choose :wallbash:

Yesterday, I went to my trusted guitar shop to get the Ibanez RGA8 I've ordered.
After, a general euphoria for a such new & strange intrument (yes, the 8strings are really unusual here) we went for a test of the guitar.

First of all, the guitar looks really really cool.

After a proper (and standard) tuning [F# B E etc.] we immediately notice that famous buzz I've read on several posts.

(The guitar looks well set from the factory and the action was good)
We gave the axe to the liuther of the shop.
He rapidly did his job but the fret buzz didn't quit.
This buzz concerned the F#, the B, the E and even if a little the A too! Almost all over the fretboard :scream:
So came the bad times.
I've told to the shopkeeper if we could send the instrument back.
(We'd could make a more deep setup but the buzz, IMO, was really too much to be solved with another setup)
So, after some heavy swearwords here and there, he accepted the idea.

I was almost about to order the Schecter Damien 8 (to make me forgive). That was my original first choice. At the last moment, I called him to switch to the Ibanez.
But I told him to give me some time to decide.
I went out the shop without my 8.

I wish this post will help somebody to make the right choice.
I don't know :agreed:
Maybe that guitar was just one of the unlucky ones.

Now, the second part of the thread.
Please give me a word.

The point is, as written in the title:
Schecter Damien Elite 8 or Agile Intrepid Pro Dual 828?
I came to this last choice after a long and deep evaluation of the matter.
I could order the Schecter from my shop but he told me that if even that one will buzz, he will not send it back.
(He came to the conclusion that every 8strings buzzes)
And this is my first question to everybody own an 8.

Does every 8strings buzzes on the low strings?

The second choice is to make a transoceanic order to the Agile.
The price will be charged a lot by the italian duty but I will spend not a lot more than the Schecter (something I can afford).
The intrepid pro is my fav. I deadly love that natural finish but the scale is 28.625" while the standard Intrepid comes with the choice of 28.625" or 30".
(Playing the 27" of the RGA, even if not downtuned, I feel the first two strings a little too loose and the sound is a little "farting" :wavey: for my tastes)
The Damien is 26.5 but I love the look and I usually pretty like EMGs.

So, what should be the best choice for me?
(my fingers are not so long but I feel pretty well on the RGA neck)

Thanks to everybody for the help&Sorry 4 the long post and the poor english
 

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I don't have buzzing issues with my Intrepid. I'd imagine that new strings and a proper setup would have fixed the RGA, though.
 

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The buzz was unfixable? Even with a trussrod and action adjustment?

Also, I know the strings that Ibanez uses for F# & B are fucking tiny, floppy little pieces of crap. Change those. :yesway:
 

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The guitar, at first sight, looks pretty well setted up and then we too gave it to the liuther that adjusted the trussrod and control the general instrument.
But the buzz was unbelievable, all over the three low strings.

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I know that those was crappy and surely very old strings but they are D'Addario anyway.
Believe me, the buzz was all over the fretboard..
 

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Could be shitty fretwork from their Indonesian factory.

The Agile will probably be a little better than the Damien, plus you have more options, but to get an Agile to Europe would probably be kind of pricey, plus if you had to send it back for anything, it's going to cost you a shit load more. Just look at what both are going to cost you, and if the Agile has more options that you want.
 

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I've calculate that, in the end, the Agile will be €800 (shipping, duty etc).
The Damien is €715.
The Agile is a neck-through and have long scales. The Damien have the EMGs and will be here in my shop.

The point is that I'll found problems and I have to send it back.
 

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You run the risk of having to send any guitar back, but with Agile, you'll have to ship it back overseas, and at your own cost. That, or pay a luthier to fix whatever may be wrong with the Agile.

With the Damien, you could always return it to the store.
 

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Well, the Damien's a steaming heap of horseshit. Never played an Agile, but have no burning desire to either.

This is probably going to make you kick yourself but...did you change the strings? They've probably been on it since it was made months and months ago, and a good setup and a brand new set of strings will fix 80% of all buzzing...
 

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Well, the Damien's a steaming heap of horseshit. Never played an Agile, but have no burning desire to either.

This is probably going to make you kick yourself but...did you change the strings? They've probably been on it since it was made months and months ago, and a good setup and a brand new set of strings will fix 80% of all buzzing...
:agreed: Stitch speaks truth.
 

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I didn't find the exact translation but "a steaming heap of horseshit" sounds like a bad opinion...
Did you own or, anyway, play the Damien?
I read just good reviews of it :scratch:

I've wrote the guitar has been setted up by the liuther.
Then the strings doesn't look so old and I often have old strings on some of my not-so-used guitars and I've never heard a buzz.
Truth is that they're too thin.
 

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I didn't find the exact translation but "a steaming heap of horseshit" sounds like a bad opinion...
Did you own or, anyway, play the Damien?
I read just good reviews of it :scratch:

I've wrote the guitar has been setted up by the liuther.
Then the strings doesn't look so old and I often have old strings on some of my not-so-used guitars and I've never heard a buzz.
Truth is that they're too thin.
Didn't own one, did play one. I've yet to play a Damien that wasn't shit for the price point. Schecter do make some good guitars (it's no secret that I am not a big fan of them) but the Damien really lacks any nice qualities other than the price.

I read your post man, calm down. :lol: Regardless of how new they looked, strings out the box almost always need replaced. I worked in musical instrument retail for five years, and always replaced strings out the box. You have to remember that they go on the guitars in the factory, then are loosened, placed in a box, stacked with hundreds of other guitars, put in boxes, sent via shipping container to different companies in different countries, unloaded to the warehouse, sat for weeks, still with other guitars on top of them, finally repacked and shipped out to the local store and then unpacked by you. The strings get old, they get brittle, they lose their life, they don't sound nice.

It's not as much of a problem with more expensive guitars that are shipped with hardcases, but the changes in temperature kill them.

You also have to bear in mind that the guitar you played was probably made more than three months before you got it. Would you go three months without changing a set of guitar strings and expect them to sound nice?
 

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I am dubious of your luthier's skills and his patience, as well as his business attitude. I'm not surprised at this, coming from an Italian guitar shop owner, but don't ever let him state that he will order in a guitar for you that you are obligated to purchase without the option of a refund. :nono:

If the strings "buzzed" all over, it's probably not the nut (they won't cut them CRIMINALLY low). It sounds to me like the strings were a bit floppy for your pick attack, the truss rod may have required some adjustment, and the action might have simply been set too low. Combine all of that with old strings and you have a recipe for disaster.

The Agile will be prohibitively expensive to return if you choose to do so. Perhaps try finding another music store with more experience, even if it's not close to home for you? You would have to make two trips: one to negotiate a deal, and one to pick up your guitar if you purchased one. Somebody in Italy has to sell 8-strings. :lol:
 

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I recently worked on an RG8, and granted, it's a Prestige, but the fretwork was really bad. Low spots all over the place. What I did was level and crown the frets from 12 and up, so the guy could do the massive bends and such on the high frets (surprisingly the guy didn't just chug) and was able to put the action a lot lower. I also had to adjust the intonation, and was JUST able to get the low F in(he tuned down a half step).
 

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I recently worked on an RG8, and granted, it's a Prestige, but the fretwork was really bad. Low spots all over the place. What I did was level and crown the frets from 12 and up, so the guy could do the massive bends and such on the high frets (surprisingly the guy didn't just chug) and was able to put the action a lot lower. I also had to adjust the intonation, and was JUST able to get the low F in(he tuned down a half step).
:( Ibanez slips ever further towards shittiness. :/
 

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Well, the Damien's a steaming heap of horseshit. Never played an Agile, but have no burning desire to either.

This is probably going to make you kick yourself but...did you change the strings? They've probably been on it since it was made months and months ago, and a good setup and a brand new set of strings will fix 80% of all buzzing...
I dunno what you're on about, the whole Damien Elite series is awesome for the money. :nuts:
 

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I dunno what you're on about, the whole Damien Elite series is awesome for the money. :nuts:
Maybe in the states. They're overpriced and fucking dire at their price point over here. Rather similar to LTD, in that the specs and hardware should make it amazing, but the actual instrument is less than the sum of its parts.
 

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They're all Corts, so they just have hardware and finish differences, pretty much. I don't find a Hellraiser to play substantially better than a Damien Elite. And yeah, the Elites are a steal for what you're getting at USA prices.
 
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