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This thread can also be titled "how to ruin being the next Metallica".

Live in '92:

Live in '97:
 

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Technically, isn't the best way to ruin being the next Metallica just making good music consistently? :lol:
Ah, but Metallica had four very solid, consistent albums, followed by a monstrously successful commercial hit. Pantera did not even come close to that. Hell, barely anyone can touch that. Screw Load onward, since it no longer mattered what they did. The reached the ranks of AC/DC, Led Zepplin, and The Rolling Stones. They could put out a Polka album, and it would go platinum.
 

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Ah, but Metallica had four very solid, consistent albums, followed by a monstrously successful commercial hit. Pantera did not even come close to that. Hell, barely anyone can touch that.
Yeah, that's true, and I actually liked Metallica a lot longer than most (to be fair, I was 6 when the Black Album came out :lol: ), I just couldn't resist a joke :lol:
 

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Ah, but Metallica had four very solid, consistent albums, followed by a monstrously successful commercial hit. Pantera did not even come close to that. Hell, barely anyone can touch that. Screw Load onward, since it no longer mattered what they did. The reached the ranks of AC/DC, Led Zepplin, and The Rolling Stones. They could put out a Polka album, and it would go platinum.
Yep. Not to mention, they had arguably 3 of the MOST influential metal albums ever, and perhaps 3 of the best - RTL, MoP, and ...AJFA. Plus the commercial success of TBA.

I know 11's not disagreeing or anything, I just wanted to chime in.
 

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To be fair, after watching maybe a minute of each, it looks like he's having a HELL of a time hearingh himself in the monitors in the '97 video.
 

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To be fair, after watching maybe a minute of each, it looks like he's having a HELL of a time hearingh himself in the monitors in the '97 video.
I saw them on that tour. He was actually having a hell of a time performing smacked out all the time. He was also having a hell of a time standing, which is why he was leaning on monitors all the time.
 

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I saw them open for Sabbath in 1999 up in Philadelphia. All I could hear were drums and vocals, so it was difficult to assess them, but I've never been much of a fan. They would have been better with a good singer.
 

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Man, what a difference. It's a shame what happened to Phil, and to Pantera as well. Definitely one of my favorite metal bands in the 90's.
 

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I saw them on the Cowboys tour, and four times on the Vulgar tour. Then once each for Driven, Trendkill and Reinventing. Through the vulgar tours they were amazing. After that they got worse each outing. Phil started to suck, this is true, but the rest of the band was dragged down into the waters with him.
 

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Today marks the 14th year anniv for Trendkill. I remember that day to much because it was on my 21st b-day (So yeah, I'm 35 today...) I drove up to their Stripclub in Dallas to meet them, but I didn't go in because my best bud wasn't old enough. I met Vinnie Paul since he was outside meeting fans, but Dime was in.

I walked into the entrance doors of the place, but turned right back out because I didn't want to leave my friend hangin in the car by himself.
 

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I never really cared for Pantera much after Far Beyond Driven, and that album only had a few songs on it that I liked.
 

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Dave - I don't deny the guy was a mess, I'm just wondering if the house mix was adding to his problems. :shrug: He definitely had them in spades, but it also looks like he's struggling to hear. I just don't know if he'd be much better on a good night - there's a change in, idunno, the confidence or the... He sounds behind the beat a bit, whereas he's very forward in that first video.
 

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Yeah, Pantera was amazing in the early to mid-90s. I'm not sure exactly when it was, but around 1996 or so, every single live performance got worse and worse. In the early days, Phil could sing cleanly pretty well and even do falsetto vocals. Later on, he had trouble with even the easiest parts of his vocals. I saw this performance from 1998 where he tries singing a song off of Cowboys and he just looks like "Fuck it" in the middle of the phrase and throws the mic down. Looked to me like he knew he sounded horrible and it annoyed him, but he was too addicted to drugs to even think of quitting.
 
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