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Anyone else been watching these?

Season 1: Hill House

https://www.netflix.com/title/80189221

Season 2: Bly Manor

https://www.netflix.com/title/81237854

They are awesome. They're not particularly scary, they're more like a really tense, spooky whodunnit with shitload of plot twists and easter eggs. There are hidden ghosts in each episode, all sorts of cool shit you'll want to google after you finish a series.

Hard to talk about them without spoiling anything but definitely worth a watch.
 

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I watched Hill House when it first came out and really enjoyed it and added Bly Manor to "My List" when it was first added (2 weeks ago, I think?), but haven't had a chance to watch it. Hopefully soon, though.

Do you think Bly Manor is as good as Hill House? If it's as good or even better, that'll give me more motivation to watch it sooner than later. :lol:
 

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I watched Hill House when it first came out and really enjoyed it and added Bly Manor to "My List" when it was first added (2 weeks ago, I think?), but haven't had a chance to watch it. Hopefully soon, though.

Do you think Bly Manor is as good as Hill House? If it's as good or even better, that'll give me more motivation to watch it sooner than later. :lol:
I don't think it's better but it's still really good. Especially the very final scene. As with the first season keep your eyes peeled for ghosts in the background.
 

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I loved the first season, and actually thought it was pretty scary. The bent neck lady twist was good, and the man in the hat creeped me out :lol:

Were saving bly house for next weekend and will binge watch it in Halloween. Its also great to see Matthew holness in it, and I'll be looking out for any subtle dark place references :rofl:
 

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I loved Hill House, my wife was hanging on in desperation for Bly Manor to be released and we were both really disappointed. It's getting good reviews so we're clearly in the minority but we both thought it was slow (not in a good way), boring, not in the least bit scary and the characters were non-compelling. The kids were irritating as fuck and the guys Scottish accent was absolutely terrible. The narrators slipping between Queens English and Northern was bothering me all the way through, in the end there was a reason for it but it was still really jarring.
 

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I loved Hill House, my wife was hanging on in desperation for Bly Manor to be released and we were both really disappointed. It's getting good reviews so we're clearly in the minority but we both thought it was slow (not in a good way), boring, not in the least bit scary and the characters were non-compelling. The kids were irritating as fuck and the guys Scottish accent was absolutely terrible. The narrators slipping between Queens English and Northern was bothering me all the way through, in the end there was a reason for it but it was still really jarring.
Agreed, it wasn't bad but was not in the same universe as the first one, I rematch the first one to cm fully confirm that.

Also yeah, the guys accent was fucking horrendous. Should have just dressed him in a kilt and bonnet and given him ginger hair and been done with it....
 

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I watched Hill House when it first came out and really enjoyed it and added Bly Manor to "My List" when it was first added (2 weeks ago, I think?), but haven't had a chance to watch it. Hopefully soon, though.

Do you think Bly Manor is as good as Hill House? If it's as good or even better, that'll give me more motivation to watch it sooner than later. :lol:
I think I prefer the first season (though I'm not quite done with S2) just because the cast is a little more likable. It's not that the S2 cast isn't, it's just that the feeling of dread and tension never lets up in this one.

A few friends of mine didn't care for S2 because it's slow paced and not particularly scary (at all). It's a slow burn that personally I really like, especially because my life is so busy these days. It's a nice change of pace. :lol:
 

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Loved Hill House, started with Bly Manor already. The kids' acting is perfectly splendid.
 

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Loved Hill House, started with Bly Manor already. The kids' acting is perfectly splendid.
Right? The kids crush it.

Apparently there's a plague doctor in each episode too, but I'm 0-5. :lol: My wife and I have a little competition going to see who can spot the dolls/ghosts this time around. I swear I spend 95% of each episode staring at the backgrounds instead of the actors.
 

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I think I prefer the first season (though I'm not quite done with S2) just because the cast is a little more likable. It's not that the S2 cast isn't, it's just that the feeling of dread and tension never lets up in this one.

A few friends of mine didn't care for S2 because it's slow paced and not particularly scary (at all). It's a slow burn that personally I really like, especially because my life is so busy these days. It's a nice change of pace. :lol:
It seems like most people seem to be saying that "it's good, but not as good as Season 1." I personally didn't think Season 1 was that scary, but I did think it was really interesting and it WAS scarier than the film versions (both just called "The Haunting," one in 1963 and one in 1999 with the 1963 one being way better than the 1999 one, but neither of those being scary, really). I also thought it was better overall than the film versions.

I kind of think of this show as kind of like American Horror Story, as in it's a horror TV show that's not very scary. Granted, I stopped watching American Horror Story after Season 4 because that one (Freak Show) was just so shitty in my opinion that I had difficulty believing the next season would be any better (I enjoyed Seasons 1 and 2, but was disappointed by Season 3 and thought Season 4 was pure garbage).

You saying that the feeling of dread and tension never lets up in Season 2 really is a great selling point, though. I plan to start watching it either sometime this week or next. :yesway:
 

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It seems like most people seem to be saying that "it's good, but not as good as Season 1." I personally didn't think Season 1 was that scary, but I did think it was really interesting and it WAS scarier than the film versions (both just called "The Haunting," one in 1963 and one in 1999 with the 1963 one being way better than the 1999 one, but neither of those being scary, really). I also thought it was better overall than the film versions.
Not really the best comparisons, honestly. The Haunting (with Liam Neeson) was trying to be a spooky movie, the series is trying to be more of an intellectual thriller/drama that happens ot have some scares. There's also The House On Haunted Hill with Geoffrey Rush that was super fun IMO, but again nothing like this series. I liked both films and both TV shows.

I know we're all about labeling things and dissecting every possible art form into the smallest minutae, but in any case - all of the above are worth a watch for whatever reason.

I kind of think of this show as kind of like American Horror Story, as in it's a horror TV show that's not very scary. Granted, I stopped watching American Horror Story after Season 4 because that one (Freak Show) was just so shitty in my opinion that I had difficulty believing the next season would be any better (I enjoyed Seasons 1 and 2, but was disappointed by Season 3 and thought Season 4 was pure garbage).
Agree - the first two seasons of AHS were fantastic, then it kind of started going off the rails. Was season 3 the witches? We enjoyed that one, but it was nowhere near as good as the Asylum. We tried getting into the season w/Cuba Gooding Jr too but didn't care for it and just lost track of the show after that.

You saying that the feeling of dread and tension never lets up in Season 2 really is a great selling point, though. I plan to start watching it either sometime this week or next. :yesway:
It's perfectly splendid.
 

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Not really the best comparisons, honestly. The Haunting (with Liam Neeson) was trying to be a spooky movie, the series is trying to be more of an intellectual thriller/drama that happens ot have some scares. There's also The House On Haunted Hill with Geoffrey Rush that was super fun IMO, but again nothing like this series. I liked both films and both TV shows.

I know we're all about labeling things and dissecting every possible art form into the smallest minutae, but in any case - all of the above are worth a watch for whatever reason.
Yeah, not to make it sound like I'm hating on the 1963 and 1999 films. I've seen both multiple times, so they're definitely worth a watch if you're a fan of horror.

The House on Haunted Hill is interesting too, since the 1959 version and the 1999 version kind of remind me of the 1963 and 1999 versions of The Haunting. The titles are similar, but, of course, The House on Haunted Hill has nothing to do with The Haunting of Hill House/The Haunting. I also think the 1959 version is better than the 1999 version, but it was certainly an enjoyable movie to watch (very cheesy).

Agree - the first two seasons of AHS were fantastic, then it kind of started going off the rails. Was season 3 the witches? We enjoyed that one, but it was nowhere near as good as the Asylume. We tried getting into the season w/Cuba Gooding Jr too but didn't care for it and just lost track of the show after that.
Yeah, Season 3 was Coven, which was the one with the witches. That one wasn't "bad," but it seemed even less focused than the first two seasons. I described my feelings about it as "disappointed" because I felt that it was a huge drop in quality from Seasons 1 and 2, which were both excellent. Season 4, though, I remember ranting to my friend about how crappy it was. I think the show's up to something like Season 9 or 10 by now.
 

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I'm in a boat now that I hope they somehow continue this into a third season. Maybe do a season based on "The Lottery." That would be awesome.
 

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So I started watching this today and I'm only a few episodes in, but it's pretty much as expected. It's entertaining, but nowhere near as good as Season 1: whether we're talking about the overall quality or just being scary. I DO have to say, however, that the kids are amazing. Such "perfectly splendid" actors. It's kind of funny since there have been a few odd-sounding accents, but when I've looked up the actors, they're English, so I'm like "wait, did the dialect coach just throw up his or her hands and say I give up? Or was there no dialect coach?" I mean, Americans doing bad English accents and Brits doing bad American accents is nothing new, but I always feel a bit odd when I see English actors doing horrible Scottish or Irish accents. I would just assume there would be better dialect coaches available or they'd at least have watched enough Scottish or Irish TV shows and films (even if only in preparation for the part) to do a better job.

Anyway, I'm still relatively early into the show, but it definitely is a slow burn compared to Season 1. But I'm enjoying it regardless.
 

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So I started watching this today and I'm only a few episodes in, but it's pretty much as expected. It's entertaining, but nowhere near as good as Season 1: whether we're talking about the overall quality or just being scary. I DO have to say, however, that the kids are amazing. Such "perfectly splendid" actors. It's kind of funny since there have been a few odd-sounding accents, but when I've looked up the actors, they're English, so I'm like "wait, did the dialect coach just throw up his or her hands and say I give up? Or was there no dialect coach?" I mean, Americans doing bad English accents and Brits doing bad American accents is nothing new, but I always feel a bit odd when I see English actors doing horrible Scottish or Irish accents. I would just assume there would be better dialect coaches available or they'd at least have watched enough Scottish or Irish TV shows and films (even if only in preparation for the part) to do a better job.

Anyway, I'm still relatively early into the show, but it definitely is a slow burn compared to Season 1. But I'm enjoying it regardless.
Yeah don't compare it to S1, just enjoy it for what it is. The lead actress isn't the best at acting which hurts the first few episodes but once you get to EP5-6 or so you get used to it. The cast around her is brilliant, the kids and the housekeeper in particular.
 

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Yeah don't compare it to S1, just enjoy it for what it is. The lead actress isn't the best at acting which hurts the first few episodes but once you get to EP5-6 or so you get used to it. The cast around her is brilliant, the kids and the housekeeper in particular.
For sure, I really like the cook and housekeeper. And the kids are definitely the stars of the show. They're really mesmerizing. I don't think the lead actress necessarily hurts the show, but she's one of the weaker actors on the show so far, for sure. But she's not bad. Just not... great.
 

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The Dude Who Was Eliott in ET is awesome towards the end too. Not spoilering anything.
 

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So I finished watching it and, yeah, I'd say Season 1 is 1,000 times better than Season 2. I'm not going so far as saying it's "bad," but it really is a disappointment, even if I don't compare it to Season 1. I'd even call a lot of aspects about it frustrating. It's like... I don't want to say "I hate it," but I do kind of hate it. :lol:

Long rant coming (full of nothing but spoilers)...

So I've been a huge fan of horror since as long as I can remember. As a kid, I read HP Lovecraft and Stephen King (and all the classic horror stories as well) and watched tons of ghost, vampire, zombie, demon, and so on horror flicks, and back in college I would typically watch around 10 horror movies every week, so I have never had trouble suspending disbelief. HOWEVER, it's always a problem when a show or movie tries to explain itself and doesn't have what is needed to convince the viewer of the explanation. Then, instead of just accepting "okay, this is how ghosts work," you start going "wait, that doesn't make sense. Why? How? Huh?"

Like, Bly Manor has an entire episode (by far, the slowest, least scary, and most boring episode of the whole season) dedicated to what happened to Viola that started everything. But it's... nothing. A priest asked her to repeat some words and she said "no" (which the show interpreted her as saying "no" to God, though it never shows her as being a witch or some evil human being), then after surviving 6-15x longer than the doctor said she would, her sister suffocates her (and you can kind of see where the sister is coming from after how condescending, harassing, and abusive Viola is), and even though she never killed anyone when she was alive, she ends up just illogically massacring random people as a ghost (her first two victims being a random doctor and a random vicar). Um... okay? So how did she get this power? They say she just had a strong desire to remain and that that desire to remain made every other character who died on the property remain as a ghost too. Well, simply desiring not to die or to stay in the land of the living isn't remotely rare, so what was the reason? Her sister killing her or her sister "stealing" her clothing years and years after she died, even by typical horror movie/show standards, seems like a pretty shitty reason to haunt a place and kill anyone who just happens to be standing in front of you when you're walking somewhere. We've already established from her past that she isn't some horrific serial killer or legendary demon worshipper. After she kills her sister for opening the chest with her clothes, her husband understandably throws that chest in the water for believing it to be cursed. I mean, well, yeah, if you found your wife looking like something out of The Ring, dead and 60 years older than she actually was, just outside of your dead wife's chest that she was forbidden from opening, who could blame you for thinking it's cursed and dumping it? (and who's to say it wasn't cursed? I mean, it basically was, right?)

So, she dies and is 100% the same as alive, but just transparent and insanely super powered. But for some reason her memories (and face? what?) fade as time goes by? Okay... how? why? I mean, normally your memories are stored in your brain, and she doesn't have one of those anymore, so what are they disappearing from? If it's some cheesy thing of "your memories disappearing because people who remember you die," then why does she still have some memories of 350 years ago when no one who could remember any of that is still around anymore? And don't tell me not to try to figure out how ghosts work. If they hadn't brought up these things, I wouldn't have asked questions about them (just like I didn't ask questions about the ghosts in Hill House).

How did she go from a grumpy sick person to some supreme being who can instant-kill anyone who gets in her way, no matter how innocent they are? Why is she the only ghost with any powers? And why are the other ghosts scared of her? She doesn't look remotely scary and the only ghosts who ever try to stop her only have momentary discomfort but then are just the same as always. I mean, they're already dead and the show never introduces the possibility of Viola annihilating ghosts from existence. Anyone who's alive gets killed in a single touch or a few second choke (except when it isn't convenient for the story, such as with Dani)? Why can no humans and no ghosts stop her or slow her down? Why do none of the ghosts even try to stop her until the final episode? What is so special about this Viola character? Episode 8 shows her as a pretty bland and boring socialite from the late 1600s. If grumpiness is enough to make you an all-powerful multi-generational ghost, then why is she the only one there like that? When Viola is about to drown Flora, the ONLY ghost that tries to stop her is Hannah, who can't do anything for no reason explained. The only human that tries to stop her is Uncle Henry, who dies instantly when Viola touches him (yet he comes back to life as soon as Dani "invites" Viola into her - no explanation given there either). And how the hell does Viola saying the same thing that Flora had said to Rebecca to Viola (who supposedly can't remember who she is, what her name is, who her daughter is, etc. etc.) count as "inviting" her into her body? If Viola has such a strong will that it kept her at Bly as an insanely powerful ghost for over 350 years, then why can't she control Dani when Peter Quint had total control over Miles and Rebecca had total control over Flora? And one could argue that Miles and Flora had more assertive personalities than Dani did. In most horror movies, when they bother to go to the trouble of showing who some terrifying ghost was before they died, they usually try to make you terrified of that person as a human so they're even more terrifying as a ghost, but Viola is just bland and boring as a person, and isn't particularly interesting as a ghost either, yet somehow has insane powers. Well... She can't teleport or float or... I guess she just has "super strength" and "immortality" and that's it. But no reason is ever given. She's also not usually very scary. She has maybe one or two jump scares in the whole show, but most of the attempts at jump scares (such as her being reflected off the plate Dani's washing in the last episode) aren't remotely scary, and you wonder why Dani would even drop the plate after so many years of seeing reflections of Viola.

And moving away from her, why are most of the ghosts on the property both physically and visually able to interact with the living to the point that none of the living ever realize that they're ghosts? That's not typical at all in horror novels, short stories, movies, TV shows, or video games, and in the rare cases where it does appear, they usually have some explanation for why that's the case, since it's so outside the norm for ghost stories. Here, though, it's never explained. Hannah, I assumed from Episode 1, was dead because she never ate anything, but then again, there's an entire episode where she does nothing but drink wine. So she can't eat, but she can drink? The whole thing with Peter and Rebecca being able to possess people also isn't explained. And even more so how he "permanently" possesses Miles (which Rebecca says can't be undone, yet Dani undoes it somehow by "inviting" Viola into herself, yeeeeeah, that bullshit made zero sense too), yet somehow this can let him get off the territory. Okay, when it comes to specifically not being able to leave the territory, that itself is not too uncommon. A lot of versions of poltergeists are unable to leave a certain location (although there are also a lot of versions of poltergeists that CAN leave that location, but they just like it there since maybe that's where they died or whatever, so even if they leave it, they always come back).

And then they had the uncle's "split personality" / "evil version of himself," which only appeared in ONE of the episodes, and it was pretty clear that the people who made the show were like "Uh, well, he's not dead, so we can't do the whole ghost thing we do with a lot of the other characters." "HEY, LET'S GIVE HIM AN EVIL IMAGINARY SPLIT PERSONALITY... THAT WE NEVER ADDRESS BEFORE OR AFTER THAT EPISODE!!!"

Dani's fiancé's ghost worked because they never explained it. They never had him chat with her. They never had him massacring tons of innocent people one second and behaving like a normal human being who just happened to be a ghost the next. In fact, it's one of the rare places in the show where they kind of follow the original novel's idea that she might be insane. Then again, he didn't disappear when she burned his glasses, but he just never appeared in any episodes after that, so it would've just made more sense if they had him vanish at the end of the episode instead of just having the sparks shoot up and him just keep standing there as the episode ended with no explanation of WHY he was just gone after that. I didn't want a lengthy explanation. They could've just had him slowly walk away or just fade away so we could interpret it as "She burned his glasses and made it clear that she doesn't want to see him anymore, so he disappeared" and left it at that.

I could go on and on about this, but this really boils down to my biggest problems with this show.

In short, NOTHING about the ghosts in Bly Manor make ANY sense. I never had any questions like this with Hill House. And maybe that's because they didn't do things that made me ask these kinds of questions. But that's specifically what makes this very poorly done. This is how NOT to make a ghost TV show/movie.
 
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