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I carpool with my friend/coworker. He decided to stop at Whataburger, I didn't get anything, so we're waiting in the line, and he's like "Adam, I'm not feeling too good", and I just thought it was because of the cold he'd been complaining about. So he gets his food, and he's like "I may need you to drive, everything is blurry"... So he parks, and I get out of the truck to hop in the drivers seat. I get around to his side of the car, and he starts acting real weird, I didn't know what to think, and then he lost control of his leg, and it floored the gas pedal on the truck. Luckily it was in neutral, but he rapped it off the rev limiter for 10 seconds before I could get my brain out of panic mode and get to the key and shut the truck off. So I shut the truck off, and he pisses himself. He's got a completely blank look on his face, I had no clue what was going on, but I dumped all the crap out of his center console, raised it up, and dragged his ass to the passenger seat.

So I'm in the truck, I'm driving to the hospital at this point, still don't know wtf is going on. He's still flopping around, he goes in and out of consciousness and flopping around. On the way, he's having another episode, and he pukes all over himself. Next thing I know, he's done puking and he's all of a sudden back, and he insists I don't take him to the ER because he can't afford it :eek: He has me drive him home, and lets me use his truck to go back to work. Now that I'm at work, I've been looking it up, and realized what I witnessed was multiple seizures. He had told me it was probably because of the new blood pressure meds he was taking, but through my research, and talking to my mom, who works at a hospital in Dallas, thats an impossible scenario. I'm thinking it might be epilepsy, but I don't know. I really need to talk to him, and convince him to get on the PPO instead of the HSA, he's going to need it.

Anyone else have any suggestions? I feel bad now because he's home alone, and I'm afraid it might happen again and he hurts himself. There was a second while this was all happening that I actually thought he might have died! It was so freaky, and scary, and he's absurdly lucky I was in the truck with him, at the very least he could have popped the motor on his truck if his foot stayed planted on the gas pedal like that.
 

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You should have driven him straight to the ER, if not call an ambulance. You can't be refused at the ER because of your inability to pay, and there is obviously something seriously wrong.
 

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You should have driven him straight to the ER, if not call an ambulance. You can't be refused at the ER because of your inability to pay, and there is obviously something seriously wrong.
:agreed:

He needs medical treatment as soon as possible.
 

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You should have driven him straight to the ER, if not call an ambulance. You can't be refused at the ER because of your inability to pay, and there is obviously something seriously wrong.
Could I have even done that if after its all over he insists I don't take him? I was on my way there while it was happening, but I wound up going to the wrong ER in my panic, so I didn't arrive as it was happening. I wish I knew the symptoms of a seizure before this happened, I didn't have a clue what was going on.
 

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Doing some research on the drug he's taking(Carvedilol), overdosing can cause seizure. He didn't take it with food this morning, which I'd imagine if it went in the system too fast would cause an overdose situation. I'm also wondering if he didn't take it a little bit too early, to compound the issue. Talking to him, he actually sounds like he's doing much better than he was this morning, he sounds like he usually does now, where you could hear how weak he was earlier.
 

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Wow! I'd agree with the others. Pay or not, better safe than sorry. Sounds like he needs attention. :ugh:
 

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Yeah, he needs some help.
 

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Typing words into a form box, yeah I think you should've taken him to the ER.

Being in the moment, I'm not so sure. If you did take him while he told you not to, and the ER treated him while he told them not, I wonder if he would've sued you for the bills. I guess I'm just overly cautious (okay, borderline paranoid) (okay, I'm batshit insane sometimes) but I would've considered his request to not be taken as the course of action because of the potential liability. It's not that you don't care for the man. It's that you're following his direction and it's his life.

I hate to say it because it's a horrible situation, but the only options I can see that you had were to persuade him he needs the help when he snapped out of it or take him home and try to get someone to come over and watch him. Either way, you shouldn't have left him alone. No judgement dude, because like I said, I'm just some idiot playing armchair quarterback on a website.

Tough situation. I feel for you, man.
 

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Being in the moment, I'm not so sure. If you did take him while he told you not to, and the ER treated him while he told them not, I wonder if he would've sued you for the bills. I guess I'm just overly cautious (okay, borderline paranoid) (okay, I'm batshit insane sometimes) but I would've considered his request to not be taken as the course of action because of the potential liability. It's not that you don't care for the man. It's that you're following his direction and it's his life.
A lawsuit would never stick. If he was having multiple seizures and passing out, a court of law is almost certainly going to find him not possessing of his mental faculties. Either way, it doesn't matter, since Adam would be protected by the Good Samaritan law.
 

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:agreed:

The thousand yard stare, peeing oneself, puking and losing control of your limbs might suggest your not in possession of your faculties. It might be similar to a diabetic attack. You may end up being liable after the fact due to NOT heeding the warning signs and concluding that the person is unable to make their own decision at the time.

It's a tough call in the heat of the moment. I absolutely agree. But you might want to look at the situation like the drunk that insists you don't need to take his keys cause "I'm fine!....*hick*"
 

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I've lived with watching my mom have seizures her whole life. Every single night she would have a petit mal seizure right before she fell asleep. About two years ago, she had one while driving down the interstate. Luckily it was at a bottleneck and the traffic was slow, and she only rear ended someone at maybe 20 or 30 mph. She actually rear ended a neurologist who her insurance company ended up recommending her to! What are the chances of that?

She spent months in and out of the hospital for a lot of really bogus reasons (bad doctors taking her off of her seizure medicine that she had been taking for 20 years) and she really went through a living hell.

Seizures can really be different for a lot of people, and once diagnosed they can bring on a new set of life changes that can be difficult to accept (not driving, public fear of seizing, etc.)

I would be careful about your buddy switching insurance right now. If he has a rollover HSA (which I think a lot of them are) and he has a relatively low deductible, he may be able to play his cards in his favor if his account is already built up. I have an HSA and I try to keep enough money in there to meet my deductible for the year, so it can be a win-win situation.

If he switches, he doesn't want to get stuck with the "pre-existing condition" case, so he may need to look at his HSA options and go immediately to the ER, a Primary Care, clinic, or specialist. Eventually it may be to his advantage to have an HSA (if it is a rollover).

I feel very sorry for your friend, as I have witnessed two horrible episodes with my mom about 15 years apart where I thought that was it, and I also have a sister-in-law who has epilepsy very bad after a horrible car wreck.
 
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