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:lol: I know. It's crazy. Before I bought one, I looked into it and found out that a ton of bands that were well known for using certain other amps (Mesa Boogie, Peavey, Diezel, ENGL, and so on) had switched to Axe-FXs. I was like, "Well, I was thinking of buying one before seeing that, but that's pretty persuasive." :lol:
 

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Petrucci and Vai are pretty big artists to land, even if they're not fully using them in their main rigs yet. I would imagine it's only a matter of time before they ditch the amps altogether... or at least that would be my thinking, anyway.
 

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I really want an Axe-FX Ultra :(

I wonder how long before a random amp company sues Fractal for cutting into their sales (with some ridiculous claim as what they're "officially" suing for).
:rofl: Marshall sues because they're taking away sales from their power amps? Roland sues for the same reason?

Maybe Monster? :lol:

I doubt any of the big companies would try it, since they have no possibility of actually winning. But then again, it would be bad publicity for any small company to do it too.
 

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I really want an Axe-FX Ultra :(

I wonder how long before a random amp company sues Fractal for cutting into their sales (with some ridiculous claim as what they're "officially" suing for).
First of all, the number of Axe-FX units sold is by no means even a tiny chip from overall amp sales. It is a premium product, and at that price range and with their limited distribution they're not standing to take over 'real amps' anytime soon.

Secondly, Line 6 (who really made the modeling thing ultra-mainstream) hasn't been sued despite building digital clones of other companies' amps and guitars for over a decade at many different reasonable price points. I think the time is long past where the companies can sue for patent infringement since they neglected to sue Line 6 way back when they first started.

Digital may truly replace tubes at some point down the line, but we're not there yet.
 

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If they ever start manufacturing them in China and selling them for a fraction of the price, they're going to take off.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're considering it, but supporting that level of production, distribution, and providing appropriate customer support and warranty service requires a large amount of time, money, and manpower.

It seems to me Cliff is more interested in building new amp models and organically growing his company while staying in the "premium" product bracket. Certainly seems to make good business sense to me, especially in this economy... and it also means that profit margins per unit sold are likely to be higher.
 

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Yep. You're absolutely right, Josh. I could potentially see that happening WAY down the road, or if Fractal gets bought by a much larger company, but for now, it's great to see a relatively small player making such a huge impact in the market.
 

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Yep. You're absolutely right, Josh. I could potentially see that happening WAY down the road, or if Fractal gets bought by a much larger company, but for now, it's great to see a relatively small player making such a huge impact in the market.
What surprises me is that no one has tried to release an "AxeFx Killer". I thought for sure Peavey was going to try that (given their Revalver technology) but no, not yet.
 

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Petrucci and Vai are pretty big artists to land, even if they're not fully using them in their main rigs yet. I would imagine it's only a matter of time before they ditch the amps altogether... or at least that would be my thinking, anyway.
I really don't see that happening at the Petrucci/Vai level. I know we've gone through this before and all, but you're talking the caliber of artist who can have exactly what he wants in an amp built by someone for him, for free, who doesn't have to move, set up, or maintain his own rig, and who can play as loud as he wants live. There's just no advantage there, unless Fractal started throwing a LOT of money at them.

Smaller artists without roadies or that kind of clout with an amp maker? Maybe, but I don't think at that tier we're going to see them used for much more than FX anytime soon.
 

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I'd love an AFX, since I rarely play out anymore, and mostly play at home. But damn, $2000 is a big chunk to swallow at once.

In other news, Line 6 sucks, in case there's any doubt. I spent HOURS trying to get decent tones out of it, starting from scratch, and since I'm not Bulb, I just couldn't do it. Really not at all happy with L6 right now.
 

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Petrucci and Vai are pretty big artists to land, even if they're not fully using them in their main rigs yet. I would imagine it's only a matter of time before they ditch the amps altogether... or at least that would be my thinking, anyway.
Until Fractal fixes the problem inherent with all modeling rigs--they just don't "feel" like a real tube amp when playing through them--then they are never going to get guys like Petrucci and Vai to ditch amps.

To look at it another way, I am an IT Professional who is very comfortable with the nearly limitless possibilities afforded by computer technology. If I could get the same tone and fell out of a 2U rack unit, why would I bother to drag around hundred of pounds of antiquated analog gear?

Lastly, I got to witness Tony's (Cancer) band positively get crucified by a bad soundman on Sunday night. Everything in their rig was direct to PA, including the electronic drums, and it was obvious the moron at the board had no clue what to do with them. When I am confronted with a situation where no one can hear my guitar, I am at least able to take some control by turning up my rig. I know you can also do this by running a modeling rig through a amp and speaker cabinet, but isn't this defeating the purpose of running a modeling setup?
 

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My Ultra is single-handedly the best piece of guitar related gear I have ever bought.....Period. It has truly been the G.A.S. killer for me. I have absolutely no craving for any traditional amp out there anymore,,Hell I just traded off My Savage 120 two weeks ago, cause I just didn't need it anymore.

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As much as I love the Axe-FX, it's not an "amp killer" for me. For djenty stuff, it's great because it can put out that crazy, compressed square-wave sound. But on lead tones, I can really hear the difference, even with well-programmed patches. I still use the Axe-FX as a preamp on my more saturated lead sounds, but the difference between it and my CAE 3+ is substantial. It's not a question of 'feel', so much as harmonic complexity and the way it reacts to the nuances of pick attack etc.
 

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I'll grab a used standard at some point, specifically if I get into home recording with any degree of seriousness, but for now I have 4 sounds I like to use, and a 4 channel amp - I'm good to go. I already spent my $1600 :)
 
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