I know on their own they can be a bit lacking but throw in a boost and it's right up there - possibly on par with Marks, but I'd have to do a side by side to be 100% on that
Would you do it?: Rectoverb trade for a DC-10
So I'm talking to a guy on the Boogie Boards and he's got his DC-10 up for sale/trade. I offered my Rectoverb in a straight up trade and he's got a lot of interest. Nothing is set in stone as he's still debating it, as am I. Thus my question...
As much as everyone says mesa 50 watters are loud as shit, my RoV just can't keep up with my band. Sure, it's a loud fucking amp, but by the time I wind the volume up to band levels, I'm getting so much powertube saturation that the high end rolls off and the low end just sounds uncontrolled and downright bad. NOT good for metal tones. On the contrary, my other guitarists' 5150 has his post-gain (output) set at 2 and it eats my RoV for dinner.
So anyways, I'm all but set on getting rid of my RoV, but can the DC's pull off honest to goodness hardcore/metal tones? I'm not really concerned with any particular type of tone per say, but I will say that I'm burned out of the Recto tone at the moment. I need something different to inspire me I suppose...
As much as everyone says mesa 50 watters are loud as shit, my RoV just can't keep up with my band. Sure, it's a loud fucking amp, but by the time I wind the volume up to band levels, I'm getting so much powertube saturation that the high end rolls off and the low end just sounds uncontrolled and downright bad. NOT good for metal tones. On the contrary, my other guitarists' 5150 has his post-gain (output) set at 2 and it eats my RoV for dinner.
So anyways, I'm all but set on getting rid of my RoV, but can the DC's pull off honest to goodness hardcore/metal tones? I'm not really concerned with any particular type of tone per say, but I will say that I'm burned out of the Recto tone at the moment. I need something different to inspire me I suppose...
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If you can do a side by side do it, I've never played thru a DC amp but the guys over on the boogie board seem to think they sound like a cross between a mark and a Recto, how could that not be awesome. :yesway: if nothing Else a DC-10 is going to be loud as all hell.
and there is a DC "Cartel" over there that swear by them.
A lot of hard core 'devotees' to the DC-5 and 10.
throw a clean boost in front if needed and you'll probably be all set.
the only variable here really is , will you like the sound of the amp as compared to a Recto or a 5150.
and there is a DC "Cartel" over there that swear by them.
A lot of hard core 'devotees' to the DC-5 and 10.
throw a clean boost in front if needed and you'll probably be all set.
the only variable here really is , will you like the sound of the amp as compared to a Recto or a 5150.
From what I hear, after the DC's were discontinued, the Nomad's took their place. My Nomad was 45w, 4xEL84 2x12 and an open back cab, and never had a problem being heard.
Shit, they'd tell me to turn it down :lol: Anyways, in some respects the Nomad had the same circuitry as the DC's, so you should be fine.
Best advice: A/B them. If this guy is super interested (and lives close?) just get together and try each other's rig out.
Shit, they'd tell me to turn it down :lol: Anyways, in some respects the Nomad had the same circuitry as the DC's, so you should be fine.
Best advice: A/B them. If this guy is super interested (and lives close?) just get together and try each other's rig out.
i had the same issue with my rectoverb, but as you turn it up, you have to turn the gain down considerably from where it is at lower volumes
My band requires a lot of thick, crunchy gain (think Crowbar, Hatebreed, etc...). I've tried backing off the Gain knob, yea the sound clears up a bit at high volumes, but honestly sounds incredibly weak competing against a 5150.i had the same issue with my rectoverb, but as you turn it up, you have to turn the gain down considerably from where it is at lower volumes
Unfortunately I don't think he's local, but I didn't ask.Leon said:Best advice: A/B them. If this guy is super interested (and lives close?) just get together and try each other's rig out.
No doubt. If I go through with this trade I'll be taking a risk. I've only played a DC-5 (i think? it was so long ago). But I've come to the conclusion that I prefer Boogies with Mark-based preamps (like my old F-30). Not just tone, but the feel as well. Recto's just aren't my bag I guess.kmanick said:the only variable here really is , will you like the sound of the amp as compared to a Recto or a 5150.
I'm sure we've discussed this before, but...
What are you setting your channel volume at, and what are you setting your output at? My experience with the Rectoverb has been that it seems to be a bit of an oddity in the Recto lineup, where while normally you want to keep the channel master volume as high as is practical, in the Rectoverb you actually don't want it up that high. For leads I'd been keeping it at 9 o'clock and leaning on the output for making up the difference - for rhythms, 10-11 is probably feasible.
There's this weird interaction with the channel and the gain knob, where it seems to add a LOT of preamp gain, and makes the amp seriously crunchy and edgy. If you're having problems with clarity with a Rectoverb, my first thought would be to lower your channel and crank the output.
I run mine with a hotplate at -16db, and honestly, with the channel at 9 o'clock-ish and the output halfway up, even with 16db being knocked off, it's louder than damned near anything I've ever plugged into.
What are you setting your channel volume at, and what are you setting your output at? My experience with the Rectoverb has been that it seems to be a bit of an oddity in the Recto lineup, where while normally you want to keep the channel master volume as high as is practical, in the Rectoverb you actually don't want it up that high. For leads I'd been keeping it at 9 o'clock and leaning on the output for making up the difference - for rhythms, 10-11 is probably feasible.
There's this weird interaction with the channel and the gain knob, where it seems to add a LOT of preamp gain, and makes the amp seriously crunchy and edgy. If you're having problems with clarity with a Rectoverb, my first thought would be to lower your channel and crank the output.
I run mine with a hotplate at -16db, and honestly, with the channel at 9 o'clock-ish and the output halfway up, even with 16db being knocked off, it's louder than damned near anything I've ever plugged into.
Drew makes a good point
when I had my Rectoverb I would run it with the master at 10:00 and the Output at noon
and turn the gain down to about noon and slam the front of it with my Sd-1.
it sounded killer. the more I turned up the master after say 11:00, the muddier it got.
but I hear you , when I got my Mark III I realized that the entire time I had my recto I was trying to get it to sound like a Mark series amp.
I just didn't know it. Now I've got my Mark IV and I am loving it.
If Drew would get his ass over to my house we could run the IV and the Roadster in Stereo , and scare the shit out of my neighbors :rofl:
when I had my Rectoverb I would run it with the master at 10:00 and the Output at noon
and turn the gain down to about noon and slam the front of it with my Sd-1.
it sounded killer. the more I turned up the master after say 11:00, the muddier it got.
but I hear you , when I got my Mark III I realized that the entire time I had my recto I was trying to get it to sound like a Mark series amp.
I just didn't know it. Now I've got my Mark IV and I am loving it.
If Drew would get his ass over to my house we could run the IV and the Roadster in Stereo , and scare the shit out of my neighbors :rofl:
In addition to tweaking the settings, an EQ pedal in front of the amp might help you tame some of the low-end muddiness.
First, listen to everything Drew said. Those amps do sound better when the channel master is lower, and the output knob is cranked.
Also, please tell me you are running a boost. I won't even play a Recto without a boost anymore. Plus, how old are your tubes, and what brand are they? I love JJ's, but JJ's are dark and tend to get buried by brighter amps. Next to a 5150, you really want the Mesa 440 STRs.
Also, please tell me you are running a boost. I won't even play a Recto without a boost anymore. Plus, how old are your tubes, and what brand are they? I love JJ's, but JJ's are dark and tend to get buried by brighter amps. Next to a 5150, you really want the Mesa 440 STRs.
what drew said.
i run my channel volume at no more than 12 o'clock(at thats at lower volumes)
i run my channel volume at no more than 12 o'clock(at thats at lower volumes)
I really like the ROV, but I much prefer my DC over it. It does have a little bit more of a Mark flavor to it, and I like that.
Yeah, if it's personal taste ("I just prefer Mark-like tone") that makes a lot of sense to me, but if your problem is that you like the fundamental sound, but it falls apart as you turn up, then keep the channel master low (even 12 o'clock strikes me as high) and crank the output.
Funny you ask, because most of the recommended settings I got in a previous thread suggested I crank the channel master, but I've found that doesn't work for heavy rhythm tones. This past band practice I had the Output at 12:00 and adjusted the channel master to keep up with the band, which ended up being at about 10:00. At that point I was getting mucho powertube clipping, which sounded like total ass.I'm sure we've discussed this before, but...
What are you setting your channel volume at, and what are you setting your output at? My experience with the Rectoverb has been that it seems to be a bit of an oddity in the Recto lineup, where while normally you want to keep the channel master volume as high as is practical, in the Rectoverb you actually don't want it up that high. For leads I'd been keeping it at 9 o'clock and leaning on the output for making up the difference - for rhythms, 10-11 is probably feasible.
There's this weird interaction with the channel and the gain knob, where it seems to add a LOT of preamp gain, and makes the amp seriously crunchy and edgy. If you're having problems with clarity with a Rectoverb, my first thought would be to lower your channel and crank the output.
I run mine with a hotplate at -16db, and honestly, with the channel at 9 o'clock-ish and the output halfway up, even with 16db being knocked off, it's louder than damned near anything I've ever plugged into.
Dude, I've tried boosting the front end, and I absolutely hate it. The lowend is anemic and the midrange gets very congested. I've tried various TS incarnations as well as my SD-1, nothing gets me to where I want to be.First, listen to everything Drew said. Those amps do sound better when the channel master is lower, and the output knob is cranked.
Also, please tell me you are running a boost. I won't even play a Recto without a boost anymore. Plus, how old are your tubes, and what brand are they? I love JJ's, but JJ's are dark and tend to get buried by brighter amps. Next to a 5150, you really want the Mesa 440 STRs.
Just had the amp retubed when I had it in the shop last month, all with Mesa 12ax7's and the 6L6's are 440STR's. FWIW, the other guitarist is running JJ's in his 5150. Go figure.
I really do appreciate the help you guys are giving me. I just think that the RoV isn't the amp for me...
Hrm. What are you using for pickups? Is it a series I or Series II? I'm not sure if it would matter, but...
To me, that almost sounds like something's wrong with the amp. Channel at 10 o'clock and output at 12 shouldn't be giving you THAT much poweramp clipping - a bit of compression, but not much more. Where were you running the gain?
I suspect the Rectoverb is the exact opposite of most Mesas - a week or two in, I can see why noodles has always advocating cranking the channel master with a Rectifier for rhythm tones - it DOES sound damned good on the Roadster (and, I suspect, most Duals and Triples), at least in channel 4 in 100 watt mode (3 gets WAY too dark). However, the Rectoverb responds completely differently - there's a huge boost in gain, and you lose a lot of articulation. It's strange... I sort of want to just call up Mesa and ask them about circuitry differences, just to find out what changed. :lol:
To me, that almost sounds like something's wrong with the amp. Channel at 10 o'clock and output at 12 shouldn't be giving you THAT much poweramp clipping - a bit of compression, but not much more. Where were you running the gain?
I suspect the Rectoverb is the exact opposite of most Mesas - a week or two in, I can see why noodles has always advocating cranking the channel master with a Rectifier for rhythm tones - it DOES sound damned good on the Roadster (and, I suspect, most Duals and Triples), at least in channel 4 in 100 watt mode (3 gets WAY too dark). However, the Rectoverb responds completely differently - there's a huge boost in gain, and you lose a lot of articulation. It's strange... I sort of want to just call up Mesa and ask them about circuitry differences, just to find out what changed. :lol:
Well if you have been cranking the channel master I can see why you wouldnt like the boost out front, it is just overkill, plus you have to use the boost right. Here is my set up.
Gain 1 or 2 oclock
Treble 1
Bass 12
Mid's 2
Presense 11
I completly bypass the loop as I dont use any effects I would put in there so the over volume is always max and I use each channel to adjust the volume.
I boost with a TS9, I prefer the TS9 because it add's some mids and cuts a little of the bottem end off which is way overkill anyway, plus with the style of music I play it really doesnt effect the bottem end, but if i do grab my 7 string it helps.
here are my settings on the TS9.
Drive set to 0
Tone around 3 on the dial
Level Maxed
With this setup your harmonics should fly off the board, it should cut and slice and dice with no flubby bottem end.
PS going up against a peavey which has a little more mid's it is important to keep your mid's up. Also with the rectifier and DC10 series I think it is really important to use the V30's as it add's back some of those Mid's that are missing from the amp.
Gain 1 or 2 oclock
Treble 1
Bass 12
Mid's 2
Presense 11
I completly bypass the loop as I dont use any effects I would put in there so the over volume is always max and I use each channel to adjust the volume.
I boost with a TS9, I prefer the TS9 because it add's some mids and cuts a little of the bottem end off which is way overkill anyway, plus with the style of music I play it really doesnt effect the bottem end, but if i do grab my 7 string it helps.
here are my settings on the TS9.
Drive set to 0
Tone around 3 on the dial
Level Maxed
With this setup your harmonics should fly off the board, it should cut and slice and dice with no flubby bottem end.
PS going up against a peavey which has a little more mid's it is important to keep your mid's up. Also with the rectifier and DC10 series I think it is really important to use the V30's as it add's back some of those Mid's that are missing from the amp.
Funny you ask, because most of the recommended settings I got in a previous thread suggested I crank the channel master, but I've found that doesn't work for heavy rhythm tones. This past band practice I had the Output at 12:00 and adjusted the channel master to keep up with the band, which ended up being at about 10:00. At that point I was getting mucho powertube clipping, which sounded like total ass.
Dude, I've tried boosting the front end, and I absolutely hate it. The lowend is anemic and the midrange gets very congested. I've tried various TS incarnations as well as my SD-1, nothing gets me to where I want to be.
Just had the amp retubed when I had it in the shop last month, all with Mesa 12ax7's and the 6L6's are 440STR's. FWIW, the other guitarist is running JJ's in his 5150. Go figure.
I really do appreciate the help you guys are giving me. I just think that the RoV isn't the amp for me...
I second the motion of something wrong with the amp, at those settings you should not be getting to much power amp distortion.
As to cranking the channel master, I think it make an amp sound like shit, so much better to crank the output.
As to cranking the channel master, I think it make an amp sound like shit, so much better to crank the output.
Hrm. What are you using for pickups? Is it a series I or Series II? I'm not sure if it would matter, but...
To me, that almost sounds like something's wrong with the amp. Channel at 10 o'clock and output at 12 shouldn't be giving you THAT much poweramp clipping - a bit of compression, but not much more. Where were you running the gain?
I suspect the Rectoverb is the exact opposite of most Mesas - a week or two in, I can see why noodles has always advocating cranking the channel master with a Rectifier for rhythm tones - it DOES sound damned good on the Roadster (and, I suspect, most Duals and Triples), at least in channel 4 in 100 watt mode (3 gets WAY too dark). However, the Rectoverb responds completely differently - there's a huge boost in gain, and you lose a lot of articulation. It's strange... I sort of want to just call up Mesa and ask them about circuitry differences, just to find out what changed. :lol:
PU is an Evo7.Hrm. What are you using for pickups? Is it a series I or Series II? I'm not sure if it would matter, but...
To me, that almost sounds like something's wrong with the amp. Channel at 10 o'clock and output at 12 shouldn't be giving you THAT much poweramp clipping - a bit of compression, but not much more. Where were you running the gain?
I suspect the Rectoverb is the exact opposite of most Mesas - a week or two in, I can see why noodles has always advocating cranking the channel master with a Rectifier for rhythm tones - it DOES sound damned good on the Roadster (and, I suspect, most Duals and Triples), at least in channel 4 in 100 watt mode (3 gets WAY too dark). However, the Rectoverb responds completely differently - there's a huge boost in gain, and you lose a lot of articulation. It's strange... I sort of want to just call up Mesa and ask them about circuitry differences, just to find out what changed. :lol:
Vintage Mode
Gain 1:30-2:00
I just had it in the shop and it came back with a clean bill of health. Retubed as well.
Like I said, I never liked cranking up the channel master, prefering to keep it never above 10:00 give or take. I don't like boosting because I hate the feel, first off. The responsiveness feels like a SS amp. Secondly the tone sounds anemic on the low end and congested in the mids. I prefer my palm mutes to move some air, and when I boost my RoV, I do not get the tone I'm after.Well if you have been cranking the channel master I can see why you wouldnt like the boost out front, it is just overkill, plus you have to use the boost right. Here is my set up.
Gain 1 or 2 oclock
Treble 1
Bass 12
Mid's 2
Presense 11
I completly bypass the loop as I dont use any effects I would put in there so the over volume is always max and I use each channel to adjust the volume.
I boost with a TS9, I prefer the TS9 because it add's some mids and cuts a little of the bottem end off which is way overkill anyway, plus with the style of music I play it really doesnt effect the bottem end, but if i do grab my 7 string it helps.
here are my settings on the TS9.
Drive set to 0
Tone around 3 on the dial
Level Maxed
With this setup your harmonics should fly off the board, it should cut and slice and dice with no flubby bottem end.
PS going up against a peavey which has a little more mid's it is important to keep your mid's up. Also with the rectifier and DC10 series I think it is really important to use the V30's as it add's back some of those Mid's that are missing from the amp.
My buddy's 5150 has less mids than my RoV and it also has much more low end. It's also 120watts, which pretty much explains the headroom issue.
I'd pay good money to plug into your amp right about now, as none of this makes any sense to me. :lol:
How close is the Evo to the strings? gain on 1:30-2 with a hot pickup is a fair amount - I rarely go above noon when I have the amp up that high, but you and I are chasing different sounds, I suspect.
(I play without a boost, too - it's a nice sound to have available, but the amp seems more open without it, which sort of works for me).
How close is the Evo to the strings? gain on 1:30-2 with a hot pickup is a fair amount - I rarely go above noon when I have the amp up that high, but you and I are chasing different sounds, I suspect.
(I play without a boost, too - it's a nice sound to have available, but the amp seems more open without it, which sort of works for me).
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